Speak Up, California: Re-Open Prop 8!!!
November 5th, 2008 by Evil BeetWe are SOOOOOO NOT DONE fighting this battle! We will KEEP FIGHTING until this is actually a country where EQUAL RIGHTS are granted to ALL PEOPLE. We will just keep at this shit until all the old hateful Bible-thumpers are dead and gone and we have a majority of people who understand that denying marriage to same-sex couples is discriminatory, bigoted and WRONG. Jesus preached TOLERANCE and LOVE and ACCEPTANCE, not HATE. I, for one, will be praying for all those whose hearts are burdened with such hatred for their fellow human beings. Carrying that burden around must be exhausting, and I hope you are all able, at some point, to set it down.
But for those of you who are California residents, the fight starts again, and it starts again TODAY.
You can sign this petition asking Governor Schwarzenegger to reopen Prop 8.
We ARE NOT GOING AWAY, people!!!
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thanks for posting this!!!!! I have been telling all of my friends about this!!!!!
GO BEET!
Not everyone who voted yes on 8 is “hateful” or “intolerant”. I know many people that did who fully believe that gay partnerships deserve EQUAL RIGHTS under the law, HOWEVER, they also believe the word marriage and the idea of marriage entitles the relationship between a man and a woman. The word “marriage” does not even belong in the constitution if it makes the difference between equality for all, but just because some people feel that way doesn’t mean they’re intolerant, hateful, uneducated, religious bible thumpers, blah blah blah.
Gay partnerships deserve the same rights as man-woman, atheist, christian, hindu, e.t.c. partnerships do, many people believe that, but not everyone is ready to completely change the definition of marriage.
@wpolochick
I totally understand. I think black people deserve drinking fountains and schools, too. It’s not that I don’t think that black people shouldn’t have public sources of water and education, it’s just that I’m not quite ready to let them have the SAME drinking fountains and schools as white people. I’m not being intolerant or hateful, and I definitely think black people deserve the same rights as white people, it’s just that I’m not ready to completely let them drink from the same fountain as my white kids. That’s all.
@EvilBeet
You rock. <3
I’ve been pretty devastated by this all day. Really took the joy of Obama’s victory away.
I have hope, though. The LGBT community got the wake up call it needed and we may finally get our shit together.
AMEN, BEET. I wish I was a CA resident so I could sign this!!
I just can’t read ‘Governor Schwarzenegger’ without almost having a conniption.
I am not signing that petition. I do not support gay marriage. Plain and simple.
Um…hate the sin..not the person.
I’m pretty sure that some of these aren’t voting for Prop 8 out of sheer hatred.
No one cares jj… LOL
the burden becomes a little less the more people are there to support it. Even seeing a complete stranger’s reaction to the atrocity of the discrimination makes it a little lighter.
YOU PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES!! YOU SAY YOU WANT EQUAL RIGHTS BUT YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT VALUE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. YOU LOST, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. WE DON’T WANT TO GRANT YOU MARRIAGE AND WE WON! I DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE WON ON PROP 22 AND WE NOW WON AGAIN FOR PROP 8 SO GET OVER YOUR LOST! ITS OVER!
EVIL BEET YOU ARE MY HERO<3
Wow..thanks Michelle for adding a bigoted comment to these.
I was shocked by how immature the petition sounded. They make it sound like Gov. Shwarzenegger was for the Proposition, when, in fact, he was against it. It just sounds like a bunch of people whining…not a professional statement.
Anyway, I’m all for reopening Prop 8!! Thanks for posting this beet!
Fuck…… Michelle, you would make a great gang member or 2yr old for that matter. Simmer down now, will ya?
Beet is the shizzles<3
WHY why why why do you (anyone pro- 8) care if a man and a man or a woman and a woman, two humans with nothing more than common love for each other, want to get married, want to have the same benefits and want to be recognized legally as a married couple? Why do you care so much? Your answers are always the same.. “marriage has always been between a man and a woman” and you want to preserve the sacred tradition. Are you really worried that it going to affect your lives? Such bullshit. It’s like you’re that nosey neighbor who needs to know everyone elses business and instead of focusing on your own life, you need to project your “values” onto others. Gross. On a more positive note, I really feel like this was a close call, so next time, and there will be a next time, things will change.
Funny how when Obama wins…every one is like, “The people have spoken, the right guy won, etc…”
Yet when California voters spoke and passed Prop 8…that’s not good enough.
Do you want a democratic society…or just want things your way? Make up your mind.
beet i love you so…..
I LOVED your retort too, about the drinking fountains….. you’re after my own heart. I would gay-marry you, but my state apparently just banned that. And I’m not gay :( crap
HEY CAMI—- I am happy Obama won. Of course I am. But I wouldn’t have thought poorly of people had McCain been voted in (not like I did when Bush was….. jeeeeebus). But civil rights should not be voted on. We should not be voting on whether or not we should all have the same rights.
You think, years ago, if the south took a vote, they would have outlawed slavery?
I am proud that my country has become tolerant enough to elect an African-American. Yet I am sad that my state has decided to TAKE AWAY rights from a group of people. TAKE AWAY.
oh and fuck off Michelle. AND STOP YELLING. I hope the fact that Obama got elected pisses you off.
“YOU PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES!! YOU SAY YOU WANT EQUAL RIGHTS BUT YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT VALUE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. YOU LOST, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. WE DON’T WANT TO GRANT YOU MARRIAGE AND WE WON! I DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE WON ON PROP 22 AND WE NOW WON AGAIN FOR PROP 8 SO GET OVER YOUR LOST! ITS OVER!”
How am I “discriminating” against people (most of which will end up divorced) that “value the definition of marriage”? I am not saying that THEIR rights to get married should be taken away.
And do not say “we don’t want to grant you marriage.” Who the fuck are you talking to bitch? I’m fucking straight. I could get married a million times, and divorced, if I felt like it.
Fuck you. I hope to God that you don’t actually live in California.
And it is not fucking over. It will not be over. You just wait.
Bitch.
@Cami
I, personally, have said no such thing. The American people were WRONG when they re-elected George W. Bush and Californians are WRONG about this. What if we’d done nothing when the Jim Crow laws were passed — laws that banned interracial marriage and segregated public facilities? What if we’d said “the public has spoken, oh well”? We certainly wouldn’t have a bi-racial president-elect, that’s for damn sure. Think of how absurd it seems today to deny a black man the right to marry a white woman. Denying gay couples the right to marry will seem equally absurd in twenty or thirty years.
I do want a democratic society, and I will continue to fight and speak out and make my case until we have a society with a majority of voters who understand how important it is that same-sex couples be allowed to marry.
man……. what do you think would have happened in 1850 had Americans taken a popular vote to see if women should be allowed to vote? God…. it’s just….. fucking people…… can’t you see anything…….
also, I don’t think gay people are DEMANDING to be wed in churches. So your little churches can ban gay marriages all they want. Nobody fucking cares. Keep your churchy shit out of my government.
<3 you beet
I love you for this. Thank you.
I’ve said it before, I will say it again. You do NOT put civil rights up to a vote because the majority will ALWAYS vote to suppress the minority.
Do you have any idea how it feels to go to sleep married and wake up without knowing the fate of your marriage? Do you know what it feels like to be continuously put down for something you have no control over?Do you know what it feels like to go around and hear things like faggot, gay, and dyke being used as if they were not offense at all?
Don’t you realize how damaging this all is on the mental level? Do you have to spend your life looking at signs that say Homosexuals Are Possessed by Demons? I respect your right to be religious and believe in a higher power, why can’t you respect my right to for once in my life not feel like the world is against me? Even if you believe homosexuality is a choice and not some kind of genetic disposition, Christianity is a choice too. How would you feel if you were no longer allowed to adopt children for being Christian? How would you feel if you were no longer allowed to marry the love of your life simply for being Christian? Even as things stand now with Prop 8, you can bet I would be out there fighting just as hard to save your rights as a Christian as I was to preserve my rights to earn a right that many take for granted.
Sorry for the typos, was a bit rushed in trying to get all that out of my system.
I <3 you Sometimes….. all the time
My dears: I just read that Prop 8 is only winning by 500,000 votes and we still have 3 million absentee ballots to count. Does anyone know if that’s true? Thanks!
Uh, sorry, that was probably boneheaded of me to say. I never was great at math. Darn.
@ ThatLisa:
‘Keep your churchy shit out of my government.’ Hehehe separation of church and state FTW! Thanks, that made me giggle.
@Beet:
I have to say, this is probably one of the best posts I’ve seen from you (that despite the fact that I’m on this blog because I love the way you write ALL your posts!) And your reply to wpolochick was spot on.
I’m not American, so none of this should apply to me, but I support equality for ALL. That would be equALLity!
Gay Marriage is NOT a CIVIL RIGHTS issue. Same sex couples are afforded their civil rights via CIVIL UNIONS if they so choose.
@ Cami. I was thinking the same thing. “the people have spoken”….yea!!! But only if they get what they want.
I did not vote for Obama, but I’m NOT STILL CAMPAIGNING FOR MCCAIN. I accpet Obama as my President, and I’m very happy for him and happy to respect the decision of the people, even if it was different from mine.
Shut the fuck up. Get over it. You Lost. And. BTW. That is one poorly written and uninspiring petition.
Jesus and God are completely imaginary so I wouldn’t worry too much about what they may or may not ’say’. Let’s focus on the facts – gay people should have exactly the same rights as everyone else, anything else is a human rights abuse. get with the program people.
@michelle
Yeah, I guess we’d all better just give up. OH WELL.
Yeah right. Sufferers of gross injustices don’t just GIVE UP and call it a day. If that were the case women still wouldn’t be able to vote. If you are fighting against real injustice you will continue fighting no matter how many times you get shot down. Gay marriage will be legalized. It’s a matter of when, not if.
“The Fight Starts Again” ???
Then bring it on BEET……
You don’t think we will continue to fight for our religion?
We should fully understand our religion. Fighting for our beliefs is a part of our religion. Those who love God and religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest of sin.
Michelle, you idiot, Beet is not going to “fuck off” from her own blog. Why don’t you?
TSS, most religious people don’t know their own beliefs.
Think of how absurd it seems today to deny a black man the right to marry a white woman. Denying gay couples the right to marry will seem equally absurd in twenty or thirty years.
Beet that already seems absurd!! And BRILLIANT reply about the fountains :D
Why do people care if 2 men or 2 women want to get married? They won’t do it in the church, they’ll have nothing to do with the religion, they’re not murdering anyone, being nasty to anyone… what’s the problem? Idiots!
I will never in my life understand the hatred/fear/bigotry etc towards gay couples and them wanting to get married.
It just seems so strange to me that people who follow a religion that apparently preaches tolerance, forgiveness, good will and the like could be so hurtful and unjust to a group of people because the same book that tells you to love your fellow man tells you to hate people who have a different lifestyle to you.
And to the non-religious people who are against it, I feel sorry for you that you seem to have been brought up in an environment that taught you that it is ok to dislike (I’ll use this word as some people think HATE is harsh) someone because they are different.
TSS – what religion do you follow that tells you to force God’s will on others? I am a Christian, but I can only live God’s will out in my own life. I can pray for others, but I can’t MAKE them find salvation.
You figure I am committing a grave sin by not choosing to deny others their civil rights?
And can someone that is FOR prop 8 please tell me how it figures into the separation of church and state? Someone? Anyone?
hey guys and beet, i read ur blog religiously from AUS and was honestly moved to tears when u read that prop 8 was going to get through. I would like to encourage all of you who have stood up against this and to not be disheartened because even people in Australia want you to succeed against people with such prejudice. I amhoping and praying that one day soon people will stop being scared of people they dont understand or have things in common with…we are all equal and despite whom u find atractive deserve to be treated as equal.
BLESS U ALL! much love
“We should fully understand our religion. Fighting for our beliefs is a part of our religion. Those who love God and religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest of sin.” ……
- Osama Bin Laden
ANYONE can use religion to influence and scare uneducated and ignorant people. It can never shake the evolution of individuals who are guided by intelligence and reasoning. I AM a Christian and I promise you, God will NEVER cast you into hell for allowing another man or woman to live their life and to do unto them as you would have them do unto you.
Proposition 8 is a DISGRACE to the Human Race.
Just like McCain said,”The people have spoken and they have spoken clearly”. This is not what the majority of the people want, that’s obvious. Get over it and move on. It may be one day but not today!
Whew, TSS. I am so used to your usually logical and sardonic posts, I was confused this morning when I read the first. Thanks for clarifying. That does sound a bit more like a world terrorist than one of my favorite celebrity blog posters!
Down with intolerance!
Luckily, under California law, you can start up another proposition in the next election cycle to annul the results of proposition 8. That’s the way to go.
Proposition 8 is the law now, but this is the time to marshal resources and get another proposition ready for the next ballot to annul this amendment.
Women’s suffrage took years. Integration and civil rights took years. This one may take some time, too. I guess we just have to keep on fighting for a while.
@ cami: I totally agree with you.
Apparently, the majority of people on this blog won’t be satisfied until we all turn into left wing atheists. Because, of course, it’s the “right” way. Talk about intolerance!
ALL of you guys, saying the “people voted, so it’s democracy”, are obviously not understanding the meaning of democracy.
WE don’t VOTE on civil rights issues!!! Can you imagine if men had the possibility to vote on whether or not women should have the right to vote? Or if whites had been given the choice to vote to give blacks equality? We would still have slaves, and women would have no voice or say.
This isn’t a gay or straight or religious issue. It’s just about equality. Saying that every single American have the same rights in the eyes of American law.
If churches, or synagogues, or whatever else don’t want to marry gays couples that’s fine, if you’re a christian and don’t believe in gay marriage….then don’t freakin’ marry someone of the same sex.
But let’s not create laws that write discrimination into the Constitution.
might i suggest that the gay community offers free blow jobs to any voters willing to vote for gay marriage the next go around? we can always fly in donkey punch if he’s not busy. just a thought.
@ Lala – None of us care if you are a left wing atheist or a right wing Christian or a middle of the road Mormon or gay or straight or smart or stupid or purple! We’re just shocked that you would use your religious beliefs to create discriminatory laws that take away others’ rights. For you to confuse our desire to see all citizens treated equally under the law with intolerance of your beliefs shows your lack of clarity on the basic tenets of our democracy.
And while we’re at it, I’m sure this is not going to be a popular comment, but I don’t understand why government doesn’t throw out marriage altogether (which is a religious institution) and just make all of us civil unions in the eyes of the law. Marriage as a legal institution completely steps over separation of church and state. It was put on the books back in the day when our society was so Puritan no one even saw that difference, and it’s outmoded for marriage to be a legal institution IMHO.
And for the record, I am a straight white married gal with Catholic leanings who is staunchly NO on Prop 8.
Michelle Says:
November 5th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
YOU PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES!! YOU SAY YOU WANT EQUAL RIGHTS BUT YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT VALUE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. YOU LOST, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. WE DON’T WANT TO GRANT YOU MARRIAGE AND WE WON! I DO NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE WON ON PROP 22 AND WE NOW WON AGAIN FOR PROP 8 SO GET OVER YOUR LOST! ITS OVER!
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Can we vote to sterilize raging idiots with poor logic and grammar skills? Michelle, for the good of humanity, I think your reproductive rights should be taken away, before your DNA taints any more of the human gene pool with mental illness and stupidity. For the love of God, you’re embarrassing.
LOL … I love the turd brains on here who say “move on”…
Picture all the gay people that got married from June until now in California standing there with their marriage licenses in their hand on Nov. 5….. “Oh well, the people dun voted… guess we gotta move on… so where do you wanna have lunch today?”
This IS how they “move on” you FUCKING MORONS…
So, I agree with you and everything.
But what is this petition *for*, exactly? I mean, what is it that you think the Governor can do? When you say “re-open Prop 8″, what does that even mean?
I think that gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to do the same things as everyone else . But I also do not think that it is right to keep overturning the will of the people, We have voted on this twice now and and the results are the same. Why do we vote if people like the 4 judges in San Francisco are going to keep overturning it …
Lynn, why don’t you move on, from this site. Now would be good.