The Most Famous Plumber in the World!!!
October 16th, 2008 by Evil BeetMeet Joe the Plumber, the man made an unwitting international superstar on Wednesday night during the Presidential debates. This is the discussion that McCain was referring to all night. (That is, when he wasn’t referring to his evil nemesis, The Planetarium.)
Expect this guy to be interviewed by everybody over the next week.
He’ll make so much in interview fees he’ll wind up getting screwed by Obama’s tax plans whether or not he buys that plumbing business!
So if Joe the Plumber is a real dude, who is Joe Six-Pack? And could somebody please clarify for me if Joe Six-Pack has a six-pack of beer or, like, really great abs?
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that hurt
Sam the non-plumber- you’d think Mccain’s people would have checked this guy out!
that was in response to donkey punches or w/e
to that lisa–i have three or four friends who live in the government housing and quite a few CLASS MATES was the word i used
however, i keep coming back to the way those class mates spend the money they do have and they way they act at school, their sense of entitlement…. you see, lessons are taught far beyond the extent of “feed me so i can survive…”
they expect grades to be given out, they expect people to ignore the fact that they steal or lie, they want to stand in the streets all night acting trashy but be treated “equally”
hmmm…
generalizing will only hurt your argument.
you know 3 or 4 poor people who are bad. that must be what all poor people are like.
(that would be like me saying, I know this one ridiculous Republican chick who posts stupid shit on blogs. That must mean all Republicans are idiots)<<< something I do not believe.
so then our buddies with the expensive shoes…. you are just assuming that they get food stamps? or you know? I don’t really understand; it doesn’t seem like a topic that would come up with mere acquaintances. and their shoes… do they just look expensive? how do you know?
how much do both of us wish you hadn’t said anything about shoes, by now?
and again, these people are not your friends, yet you know what they want and what they expect, etc. you know what they do all night long. are you like a spy? or maybe even God?
A few things on this topic, since I am jumping in late:
First, common_sense, the tax is on revenues. Revenues are what is left AFTER expenses are deducted from gross income. So for 95% of small businesses, after all of the items you mentioned like payroll, operating expenses, etc. are removed from gross income, they net less than $250k. Your breakdown is illogical or inappropriate because you were considering the tax on gross profit, not revenues.
Now, for those businesses that net over 250k they will be taxed at the increased rate of 39% ONLY for the income exceeding 250k. So, like someone else mentioned, if they net 265k, they pay an extra $450, which is a pittance. Not to mention the deletion of the capital gains tax, which is a tax on the sale at a profit of assets or equity in a business – like the sale of stocks – with which he could come out far better.
After reading a bit about Joe, I don’t think that he has the business sense to know whether or not he will benefit from this proposed tax plan. I will just assume at this stage that his question was hypothetical (since he only made 40k last year and would GREATLY benefit from the tax plan). Let’s say he asked the question for the sake of those who actually DO make money, Obama gave a clearly defined answer.
And Hilary – at this stage of our economic downturn, you can bet that those lining up for governmental aid won’t be the same stock as your acquaintances. They will be PROUD taxpayers who have worked hard and paid their unemployment, federal and state taxes for years and will now, sadly, have to take advantage of the system that they have been paying into. With the number of layoffs, the unemployment rate skyrocketing, and the cost of food soaring, it’s no longer the designer-shoe-wearing, lobster-on-food-stamp buying, lazy stereotype collecting on social programs. It will be 15-20 year veterans of auto plants, construction companies, and other respected workers that will need these services to feed their families. If you can’t bring yourself to pay the extra 3% (assuming you even make that much) to help the foundation of our country in a dire time like we are facing, then God save you when you need help.
what she said.
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If liberals ruled the world no one man would have sight, since it’s not ‘fair’ that some people are born blind. The liberal principle “Thou shalt steal from thy neighbor” is on full display these days in Obama’s dumb principles. The man is an idiot wrapped in an ignoramus wrapped in a Euro-trash suit.
Obama can’t win without his Chi-town vote fraud squad.
OR…
If scary over zealous republicans ruled the world, they would have probably just ignored or killed blind people. “Man, I mean, I WAS BORN WITH SIGHT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE LAZY, STUPID BLIND PEOPLE. WHY WON’T THEY JUST SEE ALREADY?!!??? GOD. What, you want a seeing eye dog now? UGH. And you want it to BEEP at places where you cross the street, just so you don’t get run over?!?!? GOD. WHY DON’T YOU JUST SEE ALREADY?!?!?! I CAN SEE JUST FINE. IT MUST BE YOUR FAULT THAT YOU CAN’T SEE. I WAS BORN INTO A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN SEEING JUST FINE BY THEMSELVES FOR YEARS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.”
or crazy people in general. i shouldn’t say repubs. or maybe i should just say if AlmostChosen ruled……. aw f it
@ purple – actually, it’s a venti triple latte with a splenda. now that that is out of the way –
let me tell you a little something about ME. I am a single mother with a teenager and a pre teen. I support them alone, as their father is one of the lazy Americans who thinks the world owes HIM a living, and he jumps from job to job as soon as the child support garnishment catches up with him. I have a stellar job, I make very good money, and I thank God for that – NOT the gov’t. Since I have this great income, I am able to provide for my children and I don’t have to rely on anyone or any entity to help me. Now, if I get taxed more to help someone ELSE’s family, how is that fair to me? This means that my children will suffer. I did not give birth to the millions of people out there, they are not my responsibility. And I think that is what it all boils down to here – personal accountability. Being Responsible for your own destiny. I’m sorry that people do not understand that concept, it’s a rather old one. Like if you don’t work – you don’t eat. I happily help out the less fortunate – I have a friend who is dying of liver cancer and she has 4 kids and I help her financially as often as possible. I give to the food bank. My daughter organized a food drive for the community ministry center. We give to many charities. And we are involved with an animal shelter adoption program. So don’t tell me I don’t give a fuck, kay? I do not live beyond my means, in fact, I am one of the few Americans who does not own a credit card – if I cannot pay for it with cash, I do not need it. I do not think that leveling the playing field is a realistic plan. I think it cheats people and it takes away an incintive to succeed. All men are created equal and they all have the same opportunities. Sometimes you have to actually get up and go find them.
Eyes of Green,
I appreciate your passion and all the hard work you do to take care of your kids. My family is extremely frugal. My husband is still wearing clothes he wore in high school, 20 years ago.
But, to say that we all have the same opportunities is being naive. I think there ARE opportunities out there for everyone, but the opportunities are not created equal. I’ve seen first hand racism and sexism in hiring. I’ve also seen first hand the networking that goes on among the privileged. I guess that’s their form of affirmative action.
I guess we have a difference in philosophy. I believe that being part of a civilization means taking care of those who have trouble taking care of themselves. Of course, that will include people who are lazy and who take advantage, but that’s just a fraction.
There are people on both ends of the economic ladder who take advantage of the system. When a person on welfare buys a pair of expensive shoes, we are out $120 or so. When corporations cook their books, take shortcuts, screw over their employees, cheat on their taxes, that has a much greater effect on all of us.
Private charities are wonderful, but there is no reason to believe that they will be funded well enough. They also will not be funded in equal measures.
@ Eyes of Green….Slpenda is very bad for you hunny! You should try to go with no sweetener at all, your body will love you for that.
I’m a single mother as well, well was, now my son is with my parents because I got really fucked up after I walked in on his father with another girl. He pulled the same shit after as your kids dad did. Took off, would either not work, or work just long enough to get one pay check then quitting. Anyway after almost three years of that I literately went bonkers, and that’s why he’s with my mom now. So, yes I know what your saying, and I do agree it’s not fair to have to support everyone else who “just don’t feel like working”, but some of those people can’t work, like I couldn’t. I was no longer a functioning person, I couldn’t even look after myself.
So thank you everyone who pays taxes, without those I wouldn’t have been able to get help, to get a counselor, to afford therapy sessions.
Mind you taxing people more, will also encourage our government to waste that money more. And that is not fair to anybody.
Eyes, You make some really good points, I’m sorry if I insulted you.
I might not agree with everything you say, but I do respect your points.
@ purple – lol! I do need to go with no sweetner, I learned a few months ago I have become diabetic (after having gestational diabetes w/both my pregnancies). So if I’m grumpy, it’s because my body has turned on me. :)
I’m sorry to hear about your problems – for some reason Men, not all of them but a lot of them, are just pigs. I do not understand why a parent would not want to support their child! And there is a special place in hell for the ones who cheat!! (yeah, I had that experience too…when I was pregnant no less) I hope that you will get your child back, it is not easy to be apart from them. And hopefully you can get your ex to comply with his responsibilities. Mine has exactly 2 more weeks until he loses his drivers license for non-payment. At this point I hope he doesn’t pay…jail is the next stop for him.
I agree with what you say about more tax money = more gov’t waste. I am outraged at some of the things the gov’t spends tax money on. I thought it was supposed to be ‘for the people’ but a select few sit up there and decide how to spend our money. It burns me up!
You didn’t insult me (too much…) and I enjoy a good conversation – I want everyone to understand that the ‘crazy Republicans’ are people too, and we don’t all have horns and a pointy tail.
lol I don’t think Republicans have horns and pointy tails!
I see my son often, he just doesn’t live with me right now. My parents are very supportive, and offered to keep him while I got things figured out. I’m very fortunate, a lot of other woman would have had her kids taken away.
You mean there are “real” people on both sides of the issues if you take time to listen to them? I think that is the lesson of the political season. It is so easy to make the opponent out to be some diabolical mastermind, but really they are all just following their own strong convictions…even if they’re wrong (just kidding). I must make that my mantra so my blood pressure will stop escalating every time I talk to a Republican down here in oil country/West Texas.
I’ll also have to pass this lesson on to my 5 year-old who was yelling at the tv Wednesday night, “That old guy is a LIAR!”. I trained him in my image…perhaps I should soften up.
joe the plumber totally deserves to be checked out by the media…after all, he called a press conference on his lawn to talk about his opinions on everything. like it fucking matters. “oh, joe the plumber thinks we ought to cut taxes!” joe also is not a licensed plumber and turns out he doesn’t like paying taxes, becuase he owes back taxes to the state of wherever the fuck it is he lives. dumbass.
dude. no wonder you’re so bitter. baby daddy drama.
so you dislike liberals and men in general? jesus. i don’t even know what that leaves you with. by golly, you can’t go and date a girl, cuz the dear lord would smite you and all.
you think about your children. obviously their father isn’t there for them. what if something happened to you? something tells me you don’t have millions stored away. you think you are doing so well and trying so hard… but you always have to think of the ‘what if’s’… no one is really safe.
and curious…… if you have this crazy stellar job, what are you going to school for?
and seriously. i am quite liberal. and make my own money. fuck, i didn’t even go to public school growing up (HELLO funded by government and taxes). is public school a “hand out?” do your children go to private school, since you have all this money and can do everything on your own?
we all rely on the government. it’s just, sometimes we become so used to it, we don’t even acknowledge who is funding everything.
not every man is a dead-beat like the one you chose. i like that you totally blame him too…. like you knew nothing about him, until you had children with him.
@ ThatLisa
I don’t know if ou were talking to Eyes of Green or me, but it’s like this.
Sometimes you “fall” for a loser man, and you don’t realise he’s a jerk until you walk in on him doing something.
When I first met my son’s father, he was the sweetest, most thoughtful guy. Then during my pregnancy, he changed, and his true nature appeared.
Furthering your education at any time, before, during or after a fabulous job is a good idea, especially when you have children.
Private versus public schools, well yeah I went to public school because my parents weren’t rich, and my son is going to public school because I’m not rich either. Public schools are not a hand out, don’t you think education is important enough to make sure everybody has an equal opportunity? That’s what public schools are for, not a hand out, but a hand up.
i was talking to eyes of green.
yeah- I think that education is important, but I also think that other things are important. And if it’s free, and government funded— I mean, it’s a handout. Government is paying for your education. I just hate people who are always all, I pay for everything! I don’t use the government’s money! blah blah blah and they totally went to public school.
I was just trying to make the point that I support MANY government services.. but I am a liberal, this is normal. I am just saying for people who DON’T– a lot of times they use the gov’s money more than they think
and I don’t know. If I had a family but worked all the time at my fabulous job, I would probably not be in school as well. I mean, I would want to spend some time with my poor family!!
It’s hilarious to me when people use taxes as a blanket excuse of why they aren’t voting for someone. We ALL, every single one of us, at some time in our lives, have used the services that taxes pay for. Did you go to public school? Have you ever driven on an interstate highway? Well, you’d better get out your wallet and pay the government back for that handout you took. It is laughable that people think that this country would be in any way a place you would want to live if we didn’t have to pay taxes. They are necessary, people, unless you want to live in a place that doesn’t have potable drinking water, a decent road to drive on, and a free place for your children to attend school. And under Obama’s plan, most of the people writing on this blog will NOT be paying higher taxes. You people who are complaining are exactly the people Obama is trying to protect and who will in fact benefit from his plan. You think this country’s economy is in the shithole now, wait and see if McCain wins and cuts taxes like everyone is clamoring for, then the fun will really start. We’ll finally get to experience firsthand those stories our great-grandparents told us about standing in a breadline during the great depression. Oh, but wait, that might be a government program funded by those insidious taxes you paid when you actually had a job, and we wouldn’t want to be accused of taking a handout, now would we? Since your taxes were lowered, you might not have contributed enough to pay for your share, and you wouldn’t want anyone more fortunate than you to have made up the difference; I mean, it is every man for himself, that’s what the Bible taught the right wing conservatives, right? Or was it the opposite? Their logic is so confusing sometimes I feel I need a flowchart.
@ThatLisa –
Your post hardly deserves a response but I must clarify, I am not in school. I’m not sure where you pulled that from. Everything else you said about me is basically stupid.