Who the Hell’s Actually Going to Vote for John McCain in November?
October 10th, 2008 by Evil BeetThe same people who propelled Kirk Cameron’s new Christian-fanboy flick, Fireproof, to #4 at the box office, despite the fact that it only opened on 839 screens.
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Beet, I’m sure you know more than a few trust fund kids. I also bet you know quite a few who got their high paying positions based as much on who they know than how much they know.
Now, I know a bunch of people who have college degrees, even graduate degrees who are making less than 50k/year. Teachers, nurses, etc. who work just as hard, maybe even harder than some j.a.s making a hell of a lot more.
Let’s not pretend that economic opportunity is equally distributed.
We are not asking how they got to their positions. The question is why should I pay a different percentage just because I make more than 250K. That number should be the same but if I decide to donate to the HS dropout, I will find a way and it will give me a tax DEDUCTION.
@ montysano
“If I were blessed enough to make +$250K, 38% taxation would be fine by me”
Ok, lets say you make 50k/year, and then you take some one like me who makes about 25k/year (which is half of what you make). 50k to me is good money, and I could say
“If I were blessed enough to make 50k, 38% taxation would be fine by me.”
Now, how would that make you feel?
@lala:
Watch the debates, or read up on the candidates. Sounds like all you do is believe the vile that McCain spits out. Obama wants to raise taxes for those that make over $250K/year. Many small businesses make less than that. Do you make more? And if you do, I’m sorry if its just slightly more (because you still get higher taxes), but I’m tired of these companies that make a shit ton and then screw over their employees while they get treated to a $150K spa outing (AIG).
@ beet and eyes of green:
While there are many people out there who work their asses off to make all the money they have, what about the people who work their asses off at 2 or 3 jobs to make it just over the poverty line? You might ask how someone working 3 jobs can’t bank more, but you don’t consider the possibilities. Maybe their parent is terminally ill and doesn’t have insurance, so while the child who’s working 3 jobs might, their parent doesn’t and short of damning their parent to death, they take on the MASSIVE medical bills. I know someone who has a $7 million vacation house in Mexico and a $3 million home in a very wealthy suburb by me and many many toys. So, while he can afford all this, you really think that he shouldn’t be taxed more while a person on the south side of Chicago who has tried their damnest to survive won’t because they are “equal†financially and in taxes?
And not everyone who makes less than $250K is a HS dropout. Likewise, not everyone who makes more than $250K is not a HS dropout!
Too right, tarasisko!
Herbert Hoover was widely criticised for having similar beliefs when he was president… not many people know that he donated his entire presidential salary to private charities. Also, he had two pet alligators.
But really, people should help out those less fortunate on their own terms, rather than being forced to by the government. I don’t want to pay a higher percent than anyone just because I make more money, that takes away all the fairness..
Wow! First off, has anyone ever seen the tax chart for those folks who make more than 250K? How about 1 million? I am sure they pay plenty – yeah, they probably donate quite a bit to 401k, IRA, trust funds, etc., but they are still paying – alot more than we do. AND… they are the ones who probably employ the bulk of us. Just sayin’….
Second, has anyone else noticed that despite what political party you seemed aligned with the arguments are the same? Each side accuses the other of the very same things – being narrow minded, stupid, etc. Both sides have gotten a little hysterical – it seems politics (and the gov) has permeated almost every single aspect of our lives and it isn’t supposed to be that way!!! Politics use to be something people could discuss like educated, decent human beings – same with religion. But the media seems to have made politics (and religions) such an in-your-face-rule-your-life issue (it does a little, should not be a lot) that most folks can’t discuss it without getting angry. Like all of the above posts.
Yes, I am voting for McCain, but not because I am stupid, uneducated or do so blindly. It is the lesser of two evils in my mind at this point. I fear Obama may not be able to handle the more difficult situations (like Carter and the Iranian hostage incident). While I feel Obama has some valid points, it just isn’t enough to sway my vote. Oh, and by the way, the Congress has been held by the Democrats these past 8+ years so you can thank them for the deregulation and crap we are seeing now. It takes a majority vote, people….
If I may…I want to see Fireproof, I attend a Baptist church and am a “born-again” Christian. I’m also voting for Obama and a rather far left Democrat. I think that McCain is scarily unstable. I don’t appreciate who he is as a man, as a husband, or as a politician. Sarah Palin is a joke and those who don’t see it are just trying to make the best of a terrible situation by sticking their heads in the sand.
I don’t think that Obama has all the answers, that’s why there are checks and balances. I want a President who actually will abide by those checks and balances though and not use the term “maverick” to buck the system and do whatever he sees fit. Seems like we are just getting rid of a President with that mindset.
Ah yes, I also believe in the separation of church and state and don’t think that my religion should dictate how everyone else must live their lives. And lastly, I am sickened by the close-mindedness, hatred, and racism that I see coming from Republican “Christians”. I haven’t read anything in the bible that urges the kind of conduct I have seen from so many claiming to be Christians. The church I go to teaches love of your neighbors, understanding and a personal relationship with God. In no way is there room for us to judge or dictate actions to others.
But apparently, I am in the minority…
Very well put Erin.
I am voting for McCain.
I am very well educated (in med school).
I am not caucasian.
I have friends from all different backgrounds.
I’ve been volunteering my time to help the less fortunate around me since high school.
I love my country.
My parents came to this country with nothing and became very successful upper middle class citizens through sheer hard work and determination.
This is the face of the new generation of young republicans. Not the crazy fanatic uneducated closed minded idiots the media and some of you would like to paint us as being.
I second that! Very well put, Erin. The Christian Right scares me, too. Despite being raised Catholic, I am all for pro-choice (it IS a choice not a gov regulation) and for birth control (I could compete with Beet on some killer stories there!).
It is refreshing to hear your viewpoint on the separation of church and state and the description of your church. You are right – the bible I read which is the same as yours I bet, doesn’t urge the conduct we are seeing. Sadly, tho, it is coming from both sides of the “aisle”. However, if I may venture an assumption, I think what you were saying is “go back to the basics” and in doing so, you are right, there is no (and should not be) any room to judge or dictate actions to others.
My grandma use to shut us up as kids when we would get into it or start whining by saying: “mind your own store”. I think most folks could benefit from that before trying to criticize others…. ;-)
And, I love Beet dearly and respect her for allowing all of us to have opinions on her blog, regardless of agreeing or disagreeing. Thanks to the Evil Beet for helping us maintain our Freedom of Speech!
Also, Beet I gotta say that your earlier post was just a tad condescending. Are you implying that everyone who didn’t go to college didn’t go because it seemed like to much work? I would have to argue that a person level of education does not necessarily correlate with their intelligence, or lack thereof.
Here are some examples of high school drop out millionaires:
Bill Gates (college dropout)
Peter Jennings
Dave Thomas
Johnny Depp
John Travolta
Chris Rock
Tom Petty
Joe Pesci
John Jacob Astor, America’s first millionaire,
John D Rockefeller Sr., America’s first billionaire
*person’s
Normalnermal wrote:
“Oh, and by the way, the Congress has been held by the Democrats these past 8+ years…”
I’m sorry, but what???
I already did. Voted by mail yesterday. I am not an idiot, nor do I think my husband who voted for Obama is. Why can’t we agree to disagree without calling each other names and insinuating stupidity? My husband and I live together in harmony though we’re political opposites. Why can’t the country?
You know Gail, it IS sad that tolerance doesn’t cross the aisle. Tolerance of other people’s opinions, rights and choices…including their choice for whom to vote. I have found that the left side of politics tends to be a bit more on the path to tolerance than the right. Feel free to point out in what ways that is not the case as I always like to see both sides of a story.
Can we just leave fun quippy comments about Kirk Cameron instead of aggravating ideological rants meant to provoke endless sniping?
lala you stupid
Keightlynn, I get embarrassed for you when I read your posts.
@ jk:
“I always wondered about that 25% who think Bush is doing a good job. Apparently, they all post here.”
hahah.
@ hmmm:
Yes, I’m very well educated on each candidates viewpoint and the economics behind their tax plan. I know very well how hard Obama’s tax will effect my wallet and my business. What people don’t realize is that small business not only get hit with huge federal taxes, there’s also the state AND city taxes. Then, add on all the payroll taxes, IRA matches, workers compensation (which is thru the roof, I might add), medicare, social security, etc. It gets pretty depressing when you see how hard you work and how much you have to give up. I’m not saying we should not be paying any taxes, but enough is enough! Yes, I agree that companies like the AIG example are infinitely frustrating, but it’s the smaller companies that will really be hurting with Obama’s tax plan.
mark me down for McCain. My vote’s in the mail as of yesterday. I think I’m the only Republican in the bay area of California…I even have a sticker on my Vespa that says “NOBAMA” People around LOVE that…
I’m sorry to get off topic but I HATE stupid Keightlynne or however pretentiously she spells her damn name.
I remember her ‘I have lots of gay friends but don’t agree with their lifestyle’ soliloquy. That’s like saying you don’t agree with your friends’ natural eye colour, you stupid child. Spare us your equally ill-informed political commentary.
Who would Jesus bomb? Jesus would have been the biggest tree hugging liberal on the planet. Read the bible instead of just hiding behind it and using it to justify your hatred.
@ keightlynn, my apologies to women in general but you are such a dumb cunt. Sorry folks but I had to say that.
As a Canadian who after years of education is an a very high tax bracket, I can only offer the explanation that in many countries, it is not “punishing the capitalists” to disproportionately tax the wealthy. It means that the people who can better afford to pay to support a society we can be proud or, rather than the poor or struggling, do so as part of their civic responsibility. I am willing to pay higher taxes to support free health care, unemployment insurance for the unfortunate, immigration programs, and bilingualism. I recognize that these are cultural differences from many Americans, but I thought I should express this view that many Canadians and Europeans share, and it seems more Americans are willing to explore.
ps – I don’t know if this is accurate, but I’ve read that the general American lack of support for social programs is based on the founder Puritan ethic of being rewarded for the work you do either here or in heaven and “getting what you deserve” in life. I have no idea whether this is true or plausible… but as a person of Indian origin, it reminds me disturbingly of the historical Indian social structure of blaming people’s poverty and caste on their behaviour in a past life. I know past life and present are different but it is a similar social outlook…don’t be mad, just philosophizing.
yeah, i really can tell how experienced mccain is from his vp choice.
not sure who to vote for? do you really want to find out who matches closely to your beliefs? go to pricegrabber.com My closest pick was Nader, followed by Obama then the old dude. I will proudly vote for OBAMA. I believe he will be an amazing president. Just wait and see naysayers…
ps all of you obama fans, go to yeswecarve.com
jk…. a majority of one party “holds” the House or Senate. Usually when there is a Rep prez, we tend to have a Dem majority in Congress. That is a “check and balance” to avoid one party having too much power. For some reason it has been that way more often than not (and the reverse is true – Dem prez, Rep Congress). I am not a Poli Sci expert, but here is something that may help you…
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/demographics.tt?catid=party
Right now the House is held by the Dems (and has been for a long time) and the Senate is pretty 50/50.
Absolutely agree with HR.
Am also first generation Canadian.
Also make over $200 K Canadian.
I am happy to pay the taxes I pay – would happily pay more and donate a percentage of my income.
Happy Thanksgiving. I know I have much to be thankful for. I would happier still if everyone had so much to be thankful for.
Nermal:
It is simply not true the congress has been “held” by democrats for the last eight years.
Republicans held the majority of seats, with Bill Frist as party leader) in the SENATE from 2003 to 2007 when Democrats took over the majority.
Republicans held the majority of seats in the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES from 1995 to 2007 when Democrats took over the majority. The Republican majority leaders were (in chronological order) Dick Army, Tom DeLay, Roy Blunt, John Boehner.
The check and balance between the president and congress is not party checking party, it’s executive branch checking legislative branch.
I should add, it is also legislative branch checking executive branch.
McCain has like 140 projected elec votes to Obama’s like 300+. Obama is going to win. NO one wants 8 more years of Bush. We’re already fucked
oops, should also add, not just canadians and europeans, but aslo new zealanders, to a certain extent australians and some south american countries; in short – most developed countries. T
ps Evilbeet, whom I love, I guess the reason I am willing to support people who are not doing well, is not that I think it is my “responsibility to support people who dropped out of high school or decided college seemed like too much work”. I just recognize that my 5 degrees are a product of not only work but also, as with everyone, fortune. I was very lucky to come from a family who emphasized education, who sacrificed to give me lessons in everything so I could earn scholarships, and who exposed me to people who taught me to express myself well enough to succeed in interviews. Most people do not have backgrounds like this, and I’ve learned do not even have the skills to succeed in applications for scholarships. Most people who have “dropped out of high school” are not children of academics, succesful entrepreneurs, doctors, or lawyers. Again, like Natasha, I give thanks, and I hope if one day I need support, my society takes care of me like I am now willing to do my part to take care of them. Thanks, Canada, for your kindness and your acceptance (and for spending my tax dollars on health care, not war)
oops. 4 not 5 degrees
Also , just to let you know that indeed there is an element of patriotism to paying Canadian taxes ( that i know the Republicans ridicule), there was a nationwide poll on Greatest Canadian this year held by outr (state supported) national TV network. The winner , ahead of Wayne Gretzky,Alexander
Graham Bell, Neil Young, Pearson (PM and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize), Banting ( discoverer of insulin), Fleming ( inventor of Time Zones), Brock, (Defeated the US in the war of 1812) WAS Tommy Douglas (Kiefer Sutherland’s grandfather, so Kiefer accepted the award) who founded Canada’s national (free) healthcare system. So yeah, I would pay taxes for that. Too bad taxes couldn’t keep Wayne….
ps it’s not just that I pay higher taxes, my salary is 1/5th of what it would be in the US as are all Canadian doctors’
Ok, please explain to me the problem here. I see no problem with what you said. Christians ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am honestly surprised to see this much debate about the election on Beet’s site. I figured only left-of-center folks like myself paid attention to the sinners of hollywood. My vote is for Obama because he is the most genuine person to rise to the forefront of public view in my lifetime. I am tired of the mongering of hate and fear. A promise of change gives me more comfort than a guarantee of continued instability and conflict. Peace!
THANK-YOU Spark & Beet Czar!!!
McCain/Palin 08!!
And all you Democrats posting with your hundreds of insults and name calling to all Republicans, or people who don’t think just like you…keep them on coming! They are one hundred percent unnecessary, yet totally entertaining… :-)
We live in an exceptionally polarized country. People will interpret pundit speak and political rhetoric to rationalize their own beliefs/opinions. We should, as a society, purge objectivity and emotion from our arguments and start absorbing the truth for what it is.
I meant subjectivity…sorry…
Hey guys, here’s an interesting TRUE EXCHANGE that happened with the candidate and his wife.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/8/17456/91972/887/492360
hahahaha….oh, i meant to say, republicans are the “old gay” you know the ones that got made fun of BEFORE all the tollerance.. but, you are a “clever” one Eyes of Green…you got me..you got me.
dave, I’m sorry you’re a moron. Have fun with your terrorist president
;-)
You people only want to argue about stupid, non relevent crap on both sides. This country is still the 4th in education globally, wich means there is still a lot of ignorance and poverty, look at the gallup poll: do some research, the average voter for obama is uneducated, poor, young and impresionable, or ignorant of world events due to laziness to do research other than watch propaganda on tv. Personally i am digusted and saddened by the way our political system has taken to propaganda and made this election a popularity contest by he said she said crap. If any one thinks taxes are not gonna go up you are really stupid, if you think congress is gonna allow a non penalized withdrawl of money out of a taxble resource (401) should probably go back to live with mommy, and the best one is to believe that big buisness is gonna allow the goverment to raise thier taxes……HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
First an foremost I was highly ashamed of Christians on election day. I am very open minded up open to new ideas and different things. One this as a Christian I am not open minded about is abortion which is killing off innocent children of God, an extremely liberal nation that has taken God out of our schools, support of stem cell research, and gay marriage. Everyone was so worried about our “economy”. I have one question for Christians.. what is money and a so called “great economy” without God? It should have alarmed you from the get go that he claimed to be a Christain but didn’t stand for any of our beliefs, if he can B.S that what else has he B.Sed. He has promised America a lot. He ket menioning change.. he insisted that he would bring change.. Not even 30 mintes as president-elect the tables turned. “Change might not occur in 1 day.. 1 year.. or 1 term” it’s obvious the guy would have said anything to get any gullible Americans vote. And to top all of this off his first change as president is our stance on Stem cell research that Bush was able to put a hold too. Wake up Christians.. wake up America.. This is why Obama did not win with my vote. -Your 18 year old American teenager