Why It Doesn’t Matter That Sarah Palin’s an Idiot
September 11th, 2008 by Evil Beet
Hey, have you seen the video of Charlie Gibson interviewing VP candidate Sarah Palin?
No?
You can watch it here.
And, like, yes, it is painfully obvious that this woman is laughably unqualified to run the United States. Charlie Gibson asks her about the Bush Doctrine, codified in 2002, and she clearly has no idea what he’s talking about, and he rubs that in. He uses big words like “existential” and “hubris” and she clearly has no idea what those words mean, although she does a decent job of interpreting them in context. Charlie pronounces “nuclear” correctly repeatedly, highlighting the fact that she pronounces it incorrectly, repeatedly, and jesusfuckingchrist wasn’t the whole point of this election to get someone — anyone — in office who could correctly pronounce the word “nuclear”?? She’s never met a foreign head of state, but mentions that you can actually see Russia from some parts of Alaska, so that’s kind of the same thing, right? It just goes on and on. She has absolutely no grasp on the history of U.S. foreign policy. It’s worse than I expected, honestly. It’s horrible. I mean, it’s horrible.
And it occurs to me that it doesn’t matter.
It’s not news to me that Sarah Palin knows nothing about foreign affairs. And it’s not news to John McCain.
Here’s the thing: I’m kind of a bitch. And, every now and then, I run into somebody very stupid and painfully uneducated who disagrees with me about something. And, most of the time, I let it slide and move on because I just have better things to do than argue with uneducated, irrational people. But sometimes I’m just in a bad mood for whatever reason, and looking to make someone else feel like a total idiot, and so that’s what I do. I leverage the fact that I have a ton of first-rate education and training in logic to argue that perfectly nice person into a corner and make them look like an absolute fool, and when they’re on the floor and bruised and beating and coughing up blood, I kick them some more. And then some more. Because I’m a grumpy bitch and I’m gonna take it out on them. And when I do that, a funny thing happens. My friends — who I know agree with my side of the argument in theory — start to side with the other person. Because it’s painful to watch an innocent, simple, poorly educated nice person get ripped to shreds intellectually, and you feel obliged to defend that person.
Charles Gibson went to Princeton University, and currently serves on their Board of Trustees.
Sarah Palin attended a series of small colleges in Idaho, eventually managing to graduate from the University of Idaho.
Whose education sounds more like yours?
If the remainder of this election is going to consist of Ivy-educated old men making Sarah Palin look like a fool, you can just go ahead and hand John McCain the keys to the White House. Because it doesn’t matter that she’s a fucking idiot. It doesn’t matter in the Gibson interviews and it won’t matter in the VP debate. She’s a fucking idiot with five kids and a sweet, young face and she’s trying really hard and she loves America and don’t you dare act all high and mighty on her just because you went to some fancy school and got some fancy education and know all these facts and statistics and things because there is more to a person than just how many silly facts they can pull out of their ass.
It does not matter that Sarah Palin is a moron. As long as these fancy-pants old men keep making her look like a moron, she’s going to win over voters. They may not quite know why, but they’ll find themselves rooting for her. Could this approach ever work with Hillary? No, it could not. Because Hillary Clinton is competent. Would it work on a male VP candidate who was equally ill-informed? No. We expect men to be competent.
The selection of Sarah Palin as VP candidate has absolutely nothing to do with feminism. It’s just the opposite. It’s about playing on our natural inclination to expect less from women. It’s gross, it grows increasingly infuriating to me as time passes, and, also, it’s working.
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Kendra,
I’ll bet you are Hot!
This freakin’ child has views? The only sensitive spot that was hit was his kids’ spine! A programmer? Yeah right! I think his definition of a programmer is grocery checker or telemarketer! He is probably from Boston raised by one parent attending beauty school and working at a supermarket. His points are not valid because he is not valid. Dork, go back to watching gay adult vids and stay off the blogs until you learn how to spell! A 5 year old could write better than you! The best you have is “your ugly”. You are the joke! Too bad your parents didn’t share your view on abortion! Quit talking about these supposed women you seem to be getting lucky with. I’m sure that if this is true they are victims, not willing participants! I know you are lying because I am positive that you are a closet homo! Now you can get back to your vids!
To wow- the reason women were so quick to call out McCain on sexism is because it was clear that he was pandering to women voters who were supporting Hillary.For weeks or months, McCain was floating around the idea of Joe Lieberman as V.P. Instead, at the very last minute, he chose Palin as a shocker. He owned the media cycle after Barack’s big speech, and he tried to get women voters to fall in line. And it’s sexism because it felt like someone assuming you are such a fucking idiot that you will vote for someone solely because she has the same anatomical parts as me. Now that we’ve learned about her complete lack of understanding of American politics, it is even worse. It’s not sexism, but it was a really bad choice. This woman is so ill prepared and I am not surprised at all she was found to have violated ethics in her state. Not because of malicious intent, but because I think she doesn’t know what she’s doing.
And to the Sarah Palin is an idiot guy- are you serious or joking around? While I think Sarah Palin is pretty ignorant and an incompetent politician, you just sound like a misogynistic jerk. I have a feeling you are trying to be provocative to prove a point or something.
Dear Idiot,
Wow, your sharp, nothing gets by you. “It’s because your a woman right?” Umm… my name wasn’t clue enough for you Sherlock? Programmer? A My Space page and chat rooms don’t qualify. I really hate to disappoint you but your assumptions about me are completely wrong, so I guess that makes you an ass as well as an idiot. You clearly don’t know the definition of sexist so I guess we can add dumb to the growing list. You don’t respect women. You “talk” about how great your boss is in bed, call me babe and say she’s “just a manager”. Jealous or Vag envy? In the same sentence you contradict yourself by saying she has little to no knowledge but is good at her job. How can she be both? I believe you when you say that you are not intentionally insulting me because your not capable of an intentional thought because that would imply intelligence. I think you have proven with your nonsensical statements how inferior you are. Oh, and don’t worry that you insulted me with your crude comments because I have a feeling you were looking in the mirror. You could never put me in “my place” because you aren’t clever enough and the only sensitive spot you hit is most likely on yourself. Nice try, but you are an unworthy debater. In case you have a hard time understanding what I wrote, I’ll dumb it down for you:
Idiot+Ass+Dumb+Sexist+Unintelligent= Can’t use my real name, have to hide behind Palin (great visual)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I write this 2 nights before the election, things have gotten worse in my opinion. There is a (hopefully small) group of people who have begun “arguing” that the women who are anti-Palin are just jealous of her looks. I read this all over forums, sound-offs, in comments on YouTube. These are the people who, as you say, have no idea why they are rooting for this woman. So they attack the people who can see through the dumbassery with the only argument they know how to use, and no doubt one of the main reasons they are going to vote for this woman. McCain was no fool. The American public is full of fools ready to shoot themselves in the foot.
To My common sense brother and sisters here, Thank you for joining in!
@singlepole(&*%#% let me rephrase my statement that All osama supporters are Liberals. How about all Osama Hussein supporters are IDIOTS? does that sound better. You gave me no real reason why to vote for Osama. The latest statement that he will bankrupt anyone that builds a coal fired power plant means that all of you will end up paying more in taxes (higher energy cost will be passed on into all consumer goods, from electricity to the price of bread).
Sarah Palin has more experience that your candidate the Saviour! She is smarter than Obama! if it wasn’t for affirmative action he would end up graduating from Occidental College! no Ivy League for him..ssame for his wife. I bet that there were other people that were denied the entrance to Columbia or Harvard that qualified better but were the wrong color. If you are jewish or asian those schools have limits on admissions!
Now to global warming..CO2 levels are higher because the Planet is warmer! not the other way around! CO2 is released from WATER as we more EVAPORATION!
Research shows that temperatures are not rising! 90% of all glaciers on earth are advancing not retreating!
Stop believing the leftist propaganda it is all bull shit and nothing but a new form of RELIGION that the left came up with to get the youg voters involved. They know that the new college students are mostly video game playing idiots that still live off their mom and dad.
See these charts …
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
don’t take my word for it, look at the evidence from NASA…..
I must send these same message again to all of you;
1.There is no global warming, the left needed a cause to rally the feeble minded!
Global cooling would bring global famine as most grain crops would fail, see the “the little ice age in europe in the middle ages.
There is a GOD who created the entire Universe.
Fossil record actually speaks to this; 90% of all species that ever lived are extinct! this proves the 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy! the system is decaying not improving! therefore there is and was no evolution! adaptation is a process by which an organism adapts by means of using genetic code that is already there!
there is even one instance of a positive mutation! mutations are always negative and the systems are designed to stop the genetic imperfection! that’s why some animals can have an offspring but the offspring is sterile. same with all cancers…cell mutation kills the organizm, it does not improve it.
In order for the DNA sequence of 100 cell organnism to line up by chance in the precise right order so it will for life the statistical probability is 10 to the 40 power……10 with 40 zeros behind it!
Assuming eache gene sequence trial takes 1 second there isn’t nearly enough time in “4 billion years” history of earth to do that. Now imagine a human being with 7 trillion cells (can you liberals count that high?)
Carbon and argon dating is total bull shit! it is based on the half life of uranium or other elements and their isotopes. uranium transforms eventually into lead through the process of decay, where electron leave at a certain observable rate and the element becomes uranium 237 then 232 and so on eventualy becomin lead. this is called the parent to daughter transformation. so the scientists measure the age of the rock based on how much lead is in the rock and how long it must have taken for the uranium to become lead. Pretty straightforwar right?
What they forget to fucking mention is how much lead was there in that fucking rock to start with!
It the earth was as old as they tell you the salinity of the ocean water would be way to high for anything to survivr in it!
Yes,salt comes from rock that is being eroded!
Also if the earth is so fucking old why do we still have volcanic activity on earth? even a nuclear reactor would have gone cold by now!
4 billion years give me a fucking break! the Niagara falls has moved back 100 feet in just 80 years eroded by the St. Lawrence river and the river bed is mabe from Basalt not limestone!
so open up your minds and start thinking for yourselves! all you have been tought (except for math..the divine language) in your life is bull shit meant to control your thought and vote.
Osama has zero experience and zero ability, you vote for him means tougher life for you down the road.
Oh and Single pole fuck Stiglitz as your endorsment for Osama I can name an army of Noble prize economists that have stated otherwise.
PS Single pole your 50% Slav heretige is it Polish, Russian or Chech?
Ha ha! The troll came!!! The troll came!!
And he proved science wrong! Take that, science! And he proved that all black folks are fucking stupid and only ever go to good schools because of affirmative action. And Harvard doesn’t accept Jews (somehow, though, those sneaky Jews must steal goy last names and sneak in because 1/6 of the Ivy League population is Jewish). There used to be a Jewish quota for the “elite” schools in our country’s more racist times, yes. Ruth Bader-Ginsburg can tell you all about it. She made the Jewish quota at Cornell. But she’s a liberal Jew, so she’s the result of affirmative action and TOTALLY jealous of Sarah Palin’s rocking good looks.
Dino:
I think what TP is trying to say (and, boy, what a wild ride it is to try to get into his mindset) is that it’s harder for a Jew or Asian to get into ivy league schools than other people because there are so many of Jews and Asians applying.
What TP doesn’t realize is that college admission boards have all kinds of ways to get a more diversified student population. They look not only for racial and SES diversity, but also geographic diversity. In other words, if we assume that TP is telling the truth about attending Wharton, there’s a really good chance that his immigrant status gave him a leg up. In essence, there’s probably a better qualified, born and bred “American” out there who had to settle for Johnson or Tuck because of TP.
JK, 3.9 GPA, 780 GMAT scores and 5 yrs of experiene…. face the truth, quotas are quotas no matter how you dress them up…the fact that anything else other than achievemnt is taken into consideration is prejudice..
@dinosaurus, it is nice to be missed :)
you liberal communists your, your argumetns are really weak with zero substance! really you must try harder! you are defending the indefensible! just admit that you are a bunch of mindless lemmings and go with it. My prediction is that we will have 15%+ unemployment rate by 2010 all thanks to you. Real wages will decrease and so will the standard of living, but the worst thing is that hope will die for millions..
250, 200, 150, 120….can’t you see the pattern?
Maybe we should adopt eugenics and start aborting people like the idiot in this string that made a “mistake” and got some poor girl pregnant at 16. Then he states that he is glad that his happines wasn’t taken away and 18 yrs of financial support! Yet he is voting for other to support his dumb ass. he must have just crawled out of some primordial goo since he is too stupid to know about contraception at 16!
I guess his profile is something like this;
former footbal start in HS, heavy beer guzzling and drug using
current hobbies-TV, drinking and gaming
current career-working at Game Stop
Future prospects- DUI, working at Game Stop
Contribution to society-0
I took a couple of days off and I apparently missed a lot, including my site name being spelled with an expletive — I can only guess about that translation.
I didn’t realize how much energy it takes to be polite while getting slammed over and over. TP, I started out referring to you as a troll, but then I thought I should back off and try some dialogue. Hey, I actually gave you a couple of compliments while trying to answer your questions. Maybe you didn’t catch them, maybe you don’t care, maybe hate is an intoxicant of some sort for you.
So for the record, I’m not an idiot. I’m certainly not a Sarah Palin fan, but I’m also probably not what everyone would call a liberal. What I am is a person who really believes in civil discourse, has been cynical about whether it works for threads like this, and decided to give it a try anyway. Indigo, Dinosaurs, jk, Eyes: it’s been fun, kind of. TP and Brian: go ahead and throw crap at me even after I quit posting. That’s your way.
Gotta go.
This thread makes me feel funny in the pants.
Steve:
The front or the back? :P
The side :)
“If it is going to be that kinda party I am going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.”
Dino – personally I’m jealous of Ruth’s little lacey ascot she wears…I just can’t figure out how to work it into my wardrobe. :)
single – we try to be civil, most of us anyway. That dumba$$ up there who was raving about the abortion, to me, that’s childish and immature and a really great argument for birth control so that he does not multiply in the future. Castration sounds good. TP is very passionate about this cause, obvs, but sometimes needs to use a lot more tact. Ok, 99.5% of the time. It does take a lot of energy to be polite – and most of us on here are exhausted!!
steve – you’re not getting a thrill down your leg? then we’re not doing our job!
EoG
Sorry no, I will just be glad when tomorrow is over and people can start bitching about important stuff, like carb-free cigarettes.
“CO2 levels are higher because the Planet is warmer! not the other way around! CO2 is released from WATER as we more EVAPORATION!
Research shows that temperatures are not rising! 90% of all glaciers on earth are advancing not retreating!”
How could the temperatures——- “which aren’t rising”——result in the evaporation———necessary to increase the co2 levels which are making the *planet warmer*——-indicating *temperatures rising*. You understand that it’s a whole process that interacts full circle. I believe what you are going for is whether the temp increases have to do with a polar tilt—that leads to temp changes—to the evaporation—to the increase of co2—to increase in temperatures. Versus. Man made addition of co2 to natural existence of co2—increasing the temperatures—-increasing the evaporation—-increasing the temperatures.
As to the Nasa email— nice of you to link to that email.
Brilliant how the global cooling you fear is actually a result of the global warming, you advocate for, whether by Co2 or the planet, temperature increases which results in oceans evaporating to a point that they shut down the hot and cold, high and low, streams—resulting in global cooling.
Maybe you should just stick to numbers and coal mining or whatever you ingeniously do with your SAT scores, and leave the Global Warming to people like TSS to pick apart cohesively— who are more in touch with the whole debate. Plus, don’t get sad get glad–any prestigious black college would entertain you in their Affirmative Action. It’s not just “whitey” schools that use it.
AND YAY IT WILL BE ALL OVER NOV 5th!!!!!!!
TP, you are so full of BS! Every time I skim over one of your posts I find misstated “facts.” Like Niagara Falls has eroded 100′ in 80 years – where do you come up with this stuff?
And please do name a few of the army of Noble prize economists that are pro McCain.
Paine in the Ass, you really are full of B/S. The very site that you have linked to says, within the first few paragraphs, “Earth’s climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.”
So, now that statement CLEARLY DOES NOT STATE that the earth has been around for THOUSANDS of years. It says millions honey.
You are plucking and pieces things together that suit your cause (and not very well I might add). You are so far removed from reality and clearly PARANOID.
I beg of you my children…
…To no longer be shackled by these chains of fire and brimstone that divide ye from one another. But rather to go forth amongst my kingdom and get thouselves a fucking life!
I would also like to give a shout out to my nigga TSS…
Go in peace.
@???? Moron, temperatures aren’t rising because increased evaporation increases the cloud cover. Water vapor known as clouds acts as a reflector to earth’s heath source also known as the Sun :)
Furhtermore sun spot activity, solar flares, earth’s orbit elipticity and the tilt of our planet determine the amount os solar exposure!
CO2 contribution to our atmosphere is 368 parts per million! that is less than 4/100 of 1%. and human activity contributes less than 5% of that! Oceanic currents do not shut down because of cooling you idiot. Where are you learning this? at the prestigious black college? and moron it is GMAT not SAT. Please next you will tell me that the SAT are racially and culturally biased? math and English…..so much bias in that
Do yourself a favor get your GED you will need it..
ZOE my child do your own digging or start reading the WSJ not USA today.
Indigo I’m glad you agree at least with a part of my statement that earth climate is in constant flux, THEREFORE MAN’s ACTIVITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.. Also the definition of a paranoid person is ‘a person that is well informed” sit in your little universe and watch Oprah and just stay happy ignorance and stupidity is bliss!
ZOE check out the geological surveys on Niagara 100 ft baby….you don’t need to believe me just research some facts on your own….
OSAMA will betray all of you…
Look, you are infinitely more smarter and more endowed than any living organism that was ever created instantaneously by God from thin air. I now understand “temperatures aren’t rising because increased evaporation increases the cloud cover.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How does “increased evaporation” happen then? How does evaporation happen? If the temperatures aren’t rising the ocean cant evaporate.
You totally thought your theory through.
T, just let it go. The election ends tomorrow. You can spend your priceless time getting your theory together instead of presenting a menagerie of points to disprove GW which in sum does not remotely add up to the current GW theory or to the theory used to disprove the GW theory. Trust me I have come across conservatives who make a really good well thought out case against it. I see bits and pieces of it in yours—that’s about all you offer though—– bits.
And yes there is a theory that ocean currents shut down because of warming RESULTING IN GLOBAL COOLING. You will learn this theory in your GED handbook right next to your calculator on the desk next to your coal mining shovel. :)
I’d also like to leave a shout out to Jesus Christ–AMEN—and his homebody TSS.
HAHAHAHA
I’m out.
TP, there you go, making stuff up again to suit your needs. Here is the definition of paranoid by Merriam Webster;
Main Entry: para·noid
Pronunciation: \ˈper-ə-ˌnȯid, ˌpa-rə-\
Variant(s): also para·noi·dal \ˌper-ə-ˈnȯi-dəl, ˌpa-rə-\
Function: adjective
Date: 1904
1 : characterized by or resembling paranoia
2 : characterized by suspiciousness, persecutory trends, or megalomania
3 : extremely fearful
And, oddly enough, I do agree with part of your statement. The earth does go through cycles. But we are not helping in this sociey that has become obsessed with bigger = better, driving gas hogs and living in McMasions. We can all do our part to lesson our imprint.
TP
According to research the climate is in flux. Global Warming may happen, but then again they(scientist) predicted another ice age to happen soon. How can we have another ice age if the whole earth is heating up? Explain that to me.
I am not on either side, but Obama has more experience than Palin. I know Palin is not running for president but then again she would be a heartbeat away from it.
For the record I think both candidates lack anything that would make me want to vote for either of them.
Thomas,
Your points and statistics are valid, however you are trying to convince a bunch of twenty-somethings of conservative values. Funny how you never hear of liberal values. Obviously an oxymoron. Thomas, don’t waste your time or breath! These people are flooded with this progressive liberal shit by their college professors & unemployed buddies! I’d bet most of these bloggers are from single parent homes lacking the morals and values to select the correct candidate. They will not understand until they mature and are raising children of their own. Finally, I understand Obama’s message of change. This is all people will have left if he wins the election.
I pray the liberal media, supporters & pollsters stay up to watch McCain/Palin win this election! It’s going to be like losing the Superbowl when your team was favored by 12 touchdowns! Farewell
Farewell Brian. IF I had gotten only one of these guys here to think that is victory enough for me. They don’t have to agree with me I just want them to question what is being fed to them….Good luck and God speed to all of my fellow americans! :)
@Indigo. I didn’t make anything up in my statements girl. check it all out. My definition of a paranoid person was a joke….but please read up on all the stuff on evlution genetics and the economy..everything I have written here is factual math does not lie….that’s why it is the divine language :)
“I’ll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom! You can keep the change!”
Go McCain/Palin!!
*insert crickets chirping here*
WOOO HOOOO – OBAMA/BIDEN BABY!!
Ah, math. The divine language. It does not lie.
Obama/Biden 364, McCain/Palin 163, Tied 11.
No crickets here!
Watch the math when he increases your taxes! You don’t really believe his tax plan I hope? Oh yeah, he’ll say he had to break his promise because of the current economic crisis. Mark my word as a business owner above his supposed tax limit (whatever that is?) that your taxes will increase as well as mine! You voted (probably for the 1st time) for the bullshit he was shoveling, not the substance! Are you really for others paying for your shit and providing for you! I was once a young dumbass as well! When I grew up after my 3rd or so Presidential election and a few children, I snapped and thought , “What the fuck was I thinking!” I was actually falling for this shit! What can I do and get for me? I personally think that Obama is a great speaker, extremely intelligent, articulate, and means well. However, these are not reasons to vote for a candidate! His views are so far left and the GOP is too far right! We need a President willing to listen! I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I think his appointments will prove him wrong. He is Not willing to listen to both sides and this will be his downfall! Enjoy the next 2-4 years! It will pass very quickly!
Hey single pole asshole! read this divine math ! the Dow is down 12% since the election. I hope that your 401 K is enjoying the continued slide..Oh wait! you don’t have a 401K, your retirement pension is guaranteed by the state and the tax payers! the Morons voted this totally inexperienced wind bag in and now the smart people are voting with the investment portfolios.
Pelosi, Reed, Schumer, Dodd and the rest are going to shred him to pieces. This is not going to unite the country especially this website!
All this bull shit with Oprah and the rest of the whacked hollywood makes me want to puke. 95% of the black vote went to Obama…no racism there? also I hope he throws out the affirmative action out, obviously if we can elect a black president there is not need anymore for any preferrential treatment for anyone!
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character & courage by taking away people’s initiative & independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could & should do for themselves
-Abraham Lincoln
Now I get it. The $&#^@ stuff attached to my moniker in the earlier post referred to an anus. Pretty clever.
The thread is obviously over, and this is how it goes down: some of us on both sides of the political aisle will be remembered for trying to hold a serious conversation. You, TP, will be remembered as the crazy guy who told strange stories about his education and upbringing, took wild guesses on everything from people’s professions to their sexuality, and called perfectly polite posters vile names.
Hope that works for you. Bye-bye, little man.
Oh TP it must be so nice for you to have someone to blame all your problems on.
Couldn’t find your car keys this morning – Obama did it.
Neighbor’s dog crapped on your lawn again – Obama encouraged him to (pssst, the dog is really a Muslim terrorist in disguise)
Weathers bad – that’s right – Obama. Again.
The dow went down yesterday due to the release of unemployment figures and the dow is up today. Can’t wait to hear your explanation for that.
This was a triumph
I’m making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.
It’s hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
Aperture Science.
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there’s no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are
still alive.
Addendum:
I’m not even angry.
I’m being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data make a beautiful line.
And we’re out of beta.
We’re releasing on time.
So I’m GLaD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are
still alive.
Addendum Addendum:
Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you’ll find someone else
to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa…
THAT WAS A JOKE. FAT CHANCE.
Anyway, this cake is great.
It’s so delicious and moist.
Look at me still talking
when there’s Science to do.
When I look out there,
it makes me GLaD I’m not you.
I’ve experiments to be run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are
still alive..
PS: And believe me I am
still alive.
PPS: I’m doing Science and I’m
still alive
PPPS: I feel FANTASTIC and I’m
still alive.
FINAL THOUGHT:
While you’re dying I’ll be
still alive.
FINAL THOUGHT PS:
And when you’re dead I will be
still alive.
STILL ALIVE
hey Ingigo! I don’t have anyproblems..I shorted the market when Obama won the primaries….the trade was very obvious…cheers!
First, to Love the beet, hate beets:
Today (11/13) was the first time I’ve stumbled onto your website. Reading your initial posting from Sept. 11 of this year immediately earned you my respect…in fact I may have a crush on you. Your discussion of sympathy for the bloody, beaten-up person, coughing on the ground (S.P.) was spot-on. I can’t say that I’ve ever ‘put someone in their place’ as badly as you say you have, but I do think it would be entertaining (as a fly on the wall).
To Thomas Paine:
I realize that my understanding of macroeconomics probably pales in comparison to yours but I do believe that you’re the only person blaming the [continuation of] recent economic depression on the election of Obama. I really hope you don’t make all of your investment decisions based on your own personal political misconceptions because it WILL be the ‘Moron’ tax payers who pick up that unnecessary tab (ie paying for the mistakes of private investors who base their strategies on an embarrassingly ignorant understanding of the economy…seriously, ‘investment portfolios’?).
In response to your brilliant, insightful analysis of affirmative action:
I, too, used to consider myself republican. I used to champion your notion of ‘No preferential treatment for anyone’…then one day I thought about what AA was actually for and why it is necessary. Please read the following carefully and hopefully it will change your perspective:
I presume from your politics that you were raised in a family that put value on the merits of hard work, education, and aspiring to support a family with a strong work ethic and hopefully a solid career. Imagine you weren’t. Would you, at the incredibly wise age of 16, have set aside the ideals (or lack thereof) of less-than-inspiring parents, immersed in a less-than-inspiring culture (It is not racist to argue that the ideals of the black culture are different from those of American culture as a whole, this phenomenon is the basis for affirmative action and abundantly exemplified in popular culture). How much time would you have spent earning good grades and trying to get into a good college? Would you have, after high school, spent a great deal of effort pursuing a family-supporting career if your father sat on his ass watching tv, collecting food stamps and welfare for a living? Some like you will, without a doubt, argue that personal initiative is just that—personal. Realistically, though, we are a product of our environment. If you are born into a Christian household or a Jewish household you are VERY likely to maintain those beliefs, and much more likely to die a member of that faith than someone who was born into an atheist household. To argue that this is a coincidence would be moronic. In this same way, being born into a household that put value on education, hard work, and a career puts you at a much higher likelihood of pursuing education, working hard, and lining yourself up for a good career. Affirmative action is meant to level the playing field. It is unfair, no argument there, but it wasn’t designed for fairness; it was designed to make possible (realistically…idealism is for textbooks) for the black culture to rise, though perhaps very slowly, from the socioeconomic status it was in at the middle of the 20th century. Though you may not have read it very carefully, your last Lincoln quote argues that you cannot help people permanently; affirmative action was never meant as a permanent solution but more as a temporary ‘catch-up’ period. The fact that Barack a man who’s father happened to be black was elected president has nothing to do with the argument for affirmative action. AA is not strictly a deterrent from racism in America; I would argue that its purpose doesn’t even apply to people like Barack Obama.
Hope this helps clear up your confusion on the subject of affirmative action.
-Joe
Joe, Agreed on most points. But, it is the great society and war on poverty that put our black brethren in permanent government assistance. Once proud, hardworking people that withstood 400 yr of slavery became “victims”. Remember that it was Woodraw Wilson a democrat that desegregated the armed forces and ushered in a new age of racism. In general, it was the “progressives” that endorsed eugenics and that can still be seen today in the form of ‘faamily planning” centers. All of the centers are situated in the poorest inner city neighbourhoods. So it actually is the democratic party ideals that have created a permanent underclass in the US.
I came to these shores with one suitcase and $150 at the age of 17. Went to school (not really knowing any english) worked nights and weekends and knew that some day things will get better because they already did.
Affirmative action is nothing but discrimination in reverse. Nothing about this life is fair but when it is promoted but the politicians it makes it unethical, wrong and it promotes resentment. racism is racism no matter how you slice it.
I know people that have been kicked out and abandoned in their teens and they turned out OK. so it isn’t just the environment, genetic attributes make a big difference, Survival of the fittest, evolution theory ( which by the way is a THEORY, yet all liberals profess it as a law) isn’t that the progressive religion?
So, there is no confusion here Joe. deterrent from racism? I don’t think so, it just discriminates in reverse because it isn’t based on merit but on skin color. If I was black I would be offended by AA, it implies that I’m less able therefore I need a lower hurdle.
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
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“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious
Ok, I’ll play your silly little game TP:
Political Conservatism
Medical science is still seeking a cure
by Bryan Zepp Jamieson
08/16/03
http://www.zeppscommentaries/Science&Environment/rightwing.htm
According to the authors:
“…[W]e consider evidence for and against the hypotheses that political conservatism is significantly associated with (1) mental rigidity and closed-mindedness, including (a) increased dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity, (b) decreased cognitive complexity, (c) decreased openness to experience, (d) uncertainty avoidance, (e) personal needs for order and structure, and (f) need for cognitive closure; (2) lowered self-esteem; (3) fear, anger, and aggression; (4) pessimism, disgust, and contempt; (5) loss prevention; (6) fear of death; (7) threat arising from social and economic deprivation; and (8) threat to the stability of the social system. We have argued that these motives are in fact related to one another psychologically, and our motivated social—cognitive perspective helps to integrate them. We now offer an integrative, meta-analytic
Review of research on epistemic, existential, and ideological bases of conservatism.”
—Pg. 352; John T. Jost of Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business; Jack Glaser of University of California, Berkeley; Arie W. Kruglanski of the University of Maryland at College Park; Frank J. Sulloway of University of California, Berkeley.
Right wingers proved the researchers right by promptly losing their minds and screaming for the hides of the perpetrators. Right wing radio hosts howled and gibbered that an investigation should be made immediately into the funding these researchers get, and they were accused, in no particular order, and according to no rhyme or reason, of being anti-American and anti-Christian and probably for gay rights and gun control.
The researchers, sensing that this paper might cause a slight discomfort among the more sensitive of our conservative brethren (Really. They went up like rabid baboons with bottle rockets stuffed up their asses!) went to great lengths to reassure one and all that they weren’t calling the right wingers a bunch of psychotic, destructive nuts. Obviously, they weren’t studying the right wingers we see most often on the Internet.
The authors wrote, “Our first assumption, too, is that conservative ideologies – like virtually all other belief systems – are adopted in part because they satisfy some psychological needs. This does not mean that conservatism is pathological or that conservative beliefs are necessarily false, irrational, or unprincipled.”
OK, Forget Tom DeLay and Pat Robertson for a minute. There are conservatives who aren’t vicious amoral anti-social whacks. In real life, I know some. I even have conservative friends, although I plan to warn my daughters about them.
But what the researchers were looking at were the group that I’ve been referring to for years as “secular fundamentalists.” The political variant of these critters tends to be reactionary, paranoid, authoritarian, intolerant, contemptuous of rules that don’t suit them and overbearing in their observance on behalf of others of rules that do suit them. While there are left wing examples (David Horowitz was a good example in his time) they generally gravitate toward fascism and call it conservatism, even though it’s usually better described as radical reactionaryism.
The authors define the two core principles of conservatism as resistance to change, and acceptance of social inequality. Conservatives, they argue, cling tightly to a status quo, real or imagined, and regard society as hierarchical. Unsurprisingly, they tend to believe they have inherited and/or merited preferential positions in this hierarchy.
The authors address what they call the “conservative paradox” of radical reactionaryism (e.g, Hitler, Mussolini or Pinochet) by pointing out that their calls for extreme inequality in the social order were juxtaposed with promises to lead the country back to an ideal past, one in which “traditional values and morality” prevailed. It occurs to me a good catchphrase for the mawkish and hollow babble that usually accompanies this fraud is “morning in America.” Our present-day radical reactionaries continuously harken back to a traditional America that never existed, one where everyone was a god fearing generic protestant, people with accents lived in the poor part of town and never bothered folks, and women and blacks knew their place.
Nuff said.
Indigo Girl, I don’t think that you understand the premise of fascism that drove Hitler, Mussolini and Franco..they were all for breaking the class barriers, distributing wealth and eugenics..sort off like the progressive movement is now..please read up on this and then we can continue the discussion.. Obviously my last post was a jab…take care
TP
Indigo- ever read “The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness” by Erich Fromm? He is super intelligent, left Germany during the Nazi’s takeover. This book in particular is very good at explaining social psychology and what could lead a group of people to follow someone like Hitler (and also explains Hitler’s sickness- examining Sadism, Narcisissm, and Necrophilia). His whole point in writing the book was to try and explain it so it couldn’t happen again.
Anyway, the propaganda used by Hitler and Stalin is eerily similar to that used by Bush co. for selling this war to us. Some of the language is dead on. Now, I would never in a million years compare Bush to Hitler seriously or Americans to Nazis. But it is interesting to see that the ways of controlling the masses haven’t changed much. The key is, and always has been, fear. Keep them scared as shit that some terrorist (or Jew, or minority, or gay person, etc.) will destroy their way of life, and you can make them do almost anything.
It’s also intersting to hear his take on greed, and how he believes it is a sickness.
He also delves into cultural anthropology in the beginning of the book. A great read.
And I guess, just for me and how I was raised, I think it’s a little weird that some people are so opposed to helping others. I think it’s a little weird that some people fight tooth and nail so that others lose their rights. Plus, I think it’s unhealthy to view everything as distinctly black and white. That is pretty much right in line with Melanie Klein’s description of the paranoid/schizoid phase- which also goes back to operating on fear and Freud’s death instinct.
And I haven’t even mentioned the rampant closeted homosexuality involved in homophobia and the anti-gay movement! Have you seen the study of those “straight” guys who say they are uncomfortable with gays? They were put in private rooms to watch gay porn and had sensors on their *members to record any activity. A lot of these guys were clearly aroused, yet still denied it! The other group of fellows, the straight guys who were comfortable with homosexuality, were not nearly as aroused. Interesting stuff.
I’m not commenting on this thread anymore, but I just love that anytime anyone does, “Sarah Palin is an Idiot” appears on Beet’s homepage on the list of recent comments.
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Dinosaurus……..it is the progressives that are nazis! I don’t mind helping others and I do, a lot. I just dont like the big brother telling me or anyone else that I have to. Why can’t you get it through your thick head? in case you didn’t know it it is the right wing whacko christians that donate most to the charities in US. Are you a lesbian? u seem to have a big issue with the queer thing….i like gays out of the closet, I want them to be able to get married too so they can start paying the marriage tax penalty.
Hmmm, TP, I don’t think premise of my last post. You posted about Rossiter’s studies claiming liberalism is a mental disorder and I posted about conservatism being a mental disorder as well.
My post, dear TP, was an obvious (so I thought) jab back at you.
And, btw, I couldn’t help but noticed how much those excerpts I posted seemed to be describing you, as I have come to know you through your posts.
Have a great day!!
I’m not gay, not that it’s anyone’s business, but I feel gay rights are a big part of civil rights and therefore hugely important to me. And when 51% of people get to decide whether or not someone should have rights or not, I get a little nervous for the country.
Neither progressives nor conservatives are nazis. That’s why I made clear to point that out in my post. But you and the crazy homeless man on the corner wearing seven hats to keep his voices out are free to shout whatever you’d like.
I also agree that big government can be dangerous- especially when they are making “values” based laws based on one particular religion’s rules in a country full of many different people and many different faiths. Especially a country that was founded on escaping religious persecution. Then we get government like the Saudis. Nobody wants that. I want freedom to make choices just like you.
And you and I have already butted heads on the issue of taxes and social programs, so we’ll just leave it at that. I am no longer trying to argue any points with you because I have gotten it through my thick head that you are off your rocker and also just a major asshole.
Sorry, I obviously meant to post “I don’t think you understood the premise..
Dino, I hope you find solace in the fact that Obama is our President Elect and that our country can finally start moving in the right direction. I know I do. We can also take solace in the fact that this greatly disturbs T. Paine. :)
Oh, more than solace! The night of the 4th, as I was going to bed, I just ran through a list of the immediate changes that could and probably would be put into effect- stem cell research, the closing of guantanamo, stopping torture in our interrogation processes, balancing our Supreme Court, just to name a few. And that is a really nice feeling. Oh, and not having an administration that gets off on war and so uses faulty information and plagiarizes some grad student’s thesis to sell us a bad one that has cost the lives of countless people. And not having an administration plagued with scandal and incompetency (Rummy, Gonzalez, Libby, Abu Ghraib, Katrina- just off the top of my head).
T.P. is already greatly disturbed. I’m not sure Obama’s election makes any impact whatsoever.
it disturbs me a lot, esp. the fact that you knuckle heads see just another person as the saviour. just in case you aren’t aware of it our laws are taken from the british commona law which is based entirely on the bible. Jesus was all about inclusion, it was paul the hater that wrote about killing the fags not JC. So I don’t hate gays or any other minority because they can’t help who they are. You moron liberals on the other hand have a choice and you make a conscious effort to promote a form of government that will opress people. Just look at the cabinet choices 80 % are clintonites, some change alright from one moron onto the next one. BTW it is us the conservatives that own all of the guns, don’t forget that.
All I want for christmass is a giant earthquake in SF an a huge fucking meteorite in the middle of beverly hills! peace comrades!
Dino I hope that one days your child gets kidnapped, they catch the perpetrator and they will not be able to use torture to find out the whereabouts of your child. Join some fucking cult and drink some koolaide will you? and I hope that the muslims take over this country and institute the sharia law and they cut your clit out