Does Anyone Else Watch Jon & Kate Plus Eight?
May 20th, 2008 by Evil Beet
This is the new show that I’m a little bit obsessed with, and I desperately need someone to talk to about it and none of my real-life friends watch it. So I’m gonna try with you guys.
It’s a reality show on TLC, on Monday nights, but reruns show up all the time.
Here’s the basics: Jon & Kate got married. Jon & Kate had twin girls, Cara and Madelyn. And then they decided to try for just one more, and ended up with sextuplets, three girls and three boys. So now Jon & Kate have eight children. The twin girls are seven years old and the babies are 3 1/2. And the show is about their life.
At first I started watching it because I was like “Awww, babies! Babies are cute!” And the babies are cute, and it’s fascinating to watch how intelligent and aware and communicative children are at just 3 years old, but what got me hooked is the relationship between Kate and Jon.
I mean, is it just me, or does Jon absolutely hate Kate? I mean, Kate, while doing her very best to be a good mother, is totally neurotic and overbearing and controlling and just plain old mean to Jon. She corrects his grammar constantly, tells him how stupid and inconsiderate he is, and at one point even yells at him for breathing too loud. And Jon kind of takes it in stride because he loves his kids, but I think somewhere deep down he really just wants to murder Kate and dump her body in a river, and frankly I don’t blame him. But it’s hilarious to watch.
Is anyone else picking this up, or is this just how all married couples with children interact? If so, maybe marriage and children are overrated …
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Kate has changed completely since the show first started. “MONEY” is the root of all evil. Kate now has a new religion and worships a new GOD — the GOD of the fake tan and money, money, money for as far as the eye can see. By the way, this new religion doesn’t come without a price (you know like the old sacrifice at the alter). Kate is sacrificing her husband and children to worship her new GOD. Some day when those kids are all grown and they realize that everything they do will be documented in pictures and video on the internet forever, they are going to ask Kate “why”. Just like Jon, they will make mistakes. The only one perfect on that show after all is KATE!!
So, Sharon, what GOD do you worship? Because the one I worship says, “The “LOVE” of money is the root of all evil”! So, you need to go back and read your Bible before you start to quote from it!
C’mon big daddy, stop,you better be nice or your gonna be S_O_R_R_Y
we’ll whip you into shape boy,
There are even preachers who quote that scripture wrong, at least she knows that there is a bible, there is a lot of ppl who don’t even believe.
SORRY SHARON! MISSY WOOPED MY ASS FOR YOU!!! MISSY, DID YOU SEE BETTY FORD?
Why would I see Betty Ford?
boy you better start making your self a little more clear, okay we are done with my health issues okay, It’s not good I deal with it everyday, I also don’t feel sorry for myself b/c I know there are so many so worse off than I am, I do how ever Thank God for every breath I can take in,
I LOVE THE SHOW! KATE HAS GOT HER ACT TOGETHER!
KATE HAS A BIG JOB TO DO EVERY DAY AND I FOR ONE COULD NOT DO IT. GOD BLESS KATE AND HER HUSBAND TOO.I HOPE THE DOGS ARE OKAY AS IT SEEMS KATE IS NOT AN ANIMAL LOVER AND I AM……….SHE HAS ENOUGH TO DO WITHOUT THE DOGS . I KNOWTHAT PERSONALLY. TAKE CARE YOU GUYS,,,,, EVERY THING THING WILL WORK OUT
The only job that Kate has is to find time to count the money that she has made off of her kids. She has nanny’s, chefs and housekeepers.
Rachel, are you the same Rachel who post at the other evil beet site? if you are we are sending the top guns out looking for you, So you better get you butt back before it’s to late, if you are not this same Rachel, please excuse us, but we have lost our Rachel and she is in trouble.
Listen up!!!!!!!!!! Jon is the evil one! Kate does everything she can to be a good mother! It’s not easy having eight kids, and i do admit sometimes Jon and Kate can both get a little evil. Either way i will always love this show!
Kate is a nasty little bitch who pimps out her kids for money. Jon should have left the nasty bitch a long time ago. And NO, Kate doesn’t do shit around the house. She has an entire army of people that do all of the work. She’s a pimp! That’s her only job.
I have five kids aged 2 to 16 and my mother in law lives with me. She has Alzheimers (82). Alot to take care of needless to say. I think it is hard to judge them, I try sometimes, but my life would definitely have alot more comedy in it, than theirs does.We laugh alot more in our house. I just think they need to get away from the money and the cameras and stay in their p.j.s for a day.
I do watch Jon&Kate+8…and have been with it from the first show. We all have, hopefully, evolved and grown into different people over the years, just as we have seen Job and Kate and the kids evolve. However, our changes and growth are not on film for public scrutiny. The show documents their lives and we actually see only a small portion, which TLC has chosen to show us….in hopes of making good ratings. I see nothing wrong with them making money…they are providing for their family & ensuring each child will have a decent education and want for nothing. I believe Jon and Kate both have values and standards that they are teaching their children as they grow. Yes, Kate is very neurotic, but do you stop to think of how horrible the person feels for being so neurotic…it’s not a choice, but a chemical imbalance in the brain. I cant imagine, even for a minute that Kate enjoys being like this….I have seen her changing in baby steps, which she deserves kuddo’s…and most importantly she does love her children and truly wants the best for them. Jon does have his hands full with what their lives encompass. I can understand how he can be having identity issues….couples tend to forget the needs of their partners, living everyday lives with a regular size family. Kate is a stronger person than Jon, therefore is not having issues. Jon’s personality is not as strong as his wife’s, but this does not make him a weak person. I truly hope the family can survive this in one piece….It might help if everyone said a prayer for them, instead of criticizing them. AND be careful, as I firmly believe that a person without faults should cast the first stone! None of us are without flaws.
I Completely agree with EMarie. We have to remember that a lot of their lives are on the cutting floor of the editting room. We really shouldn’t criticize how Jon and Kate handle themselves on the show. It is also true that Kate is super nerotic, but she really can’t control that. She does try to change herself little by little, but growing out of that takes time and you don’t change overnight. Jon is also allowed to feel frustrted and having an identity problem. Imagine if your life was documened everyday and everyone always associates you with the show and your kids. Everywhere you go, people will always ask about you and your kids because they recognize you from your show. You don’t have a sense of individuality because you do lose it. I don’t blame Jon for feeling how he feels.
Overall, I think they have a strong relationship. What may be putting a strain on their relationship is the constant camera videotaping their lives. They work together to instill great values and morals in their children. So, I wish them luck with whatever choices they make in their lives.
For those of you who have doubts about Jon partying on college campuses; Well, here is proof:
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Kate has done her big job, and that was pumping out all those babies.
Now it’s easy street. But wait, those teenage years, that’ll be something to see. I predict they’ll all be cute, bossy, and bad. Brains don’t seem to run in that family. I see luck and greed as the key their success now.
I don’t worry so much about the money that is being brought in. Like someone said before, they are providing for their children. I do feel that they both love their children very much. My concern is the way Kate treats Jon. I have watched many episodes of this show and she belittles him something terrible. Like the show where they were being interviewed and Jon started to say something while Kate was talking and she looked at him and said something like “Do you mind?” I mean he was just adding a comment and I’ve seen her do the same thing to him. She just treats him like a child. She just talks to him terrible. I have been married 25 yrs and I would never talk to my husband the way she speaks to him. And trust me I am my own woman and not a shy person. I speak my mind. But I wonder why he tolerates this from her especially in the public eye. And if the man partys abit so what as long as he remembers he has a wife at home and doesn’t cross the line while out having fun. They have a ton of kids but they are still young people. And lets face it, no matter what he or she does they live in the public eye and it’s bound to be taken wrong if it sells paper smut and such. My point is, Kate needs to learn how to treat her husband abit kinder. And not to start something, but Maddy is starting to act just like her mother. A very disrespectful little girl. I would not tolarate her behavior. She for sure loves to act up for the camera.
i agree with you, Booster’s girl. Kate treats Jon terrible. Im embarrassed for him at times. I know this sounds corny, but the name of the show should be, “Kate Plus Nine” because she treats Jon like one of her children. She definitely runs the show! She never let’s him say anything without correcting him.
I remember one episode where they were buying sleeping bags and she had to have the color that he wanted. Another time the two of them were dining out alone and after they ordered and the food arrived, she had a taste of his and wanted his food and whines when he objects. If it were not for those beautiful children, Jon would probably be saying, bye bye Kate!
Boosters Girl, I so agree with you, did you see the episode where Kate ask Jon if he was just gonna sit there with his arms folded and act immature, and then she said to quit talking over her, how long have we been doing this and you haven’t learned yet? Ugh I just wanted to slap her, no one, but no one, interrupts more than she does with Jon, like she is so afraid he will get a little attention.
As you said I have been married 40+ yrs and have never embarrassed my husband nor my self like that, I wish she would watch her own tapes so she could see how dis-respectful she and Mady both are, talk about undisciplined kids, that would be the Gosselin 8
All of you should just leave them alone. They didn’t start this show for your criticism. Jon married Kate knowing how she was and it’s obvious that he loves her very much. You can tell that Jon lets that kind of stuff go right over his head because that is how she is. Jon doesn’t seem like one to let people get over on him so I think he knows what to do if it were to get out of hand. As for Maddy, she’s a normal little girl who isn’t shy like her brother and sisters. I’m sure once the little ones get a little older you will start to see more of them will act that way. I’ts all the normal and average for the family of ten.
—All of you should just leave them alone. They didn’t start this show for your criticism.—-
Then what did they start it for? Oh yeah, money. Money. Cash Only and MONEY.
If they don’t want us criticizing then they need to stop asking us to buy their books and purchase the products their show advertises.
Nobody forced them to do a show. They’ve lost more then they gained and they will be criticized because they have made so many stupid and selfish choices.
Kim, I do agree that Jon just lets things go and maybe thats why he has been out and about the bars, He does let Kate get by with more than most men would, I think Kate is entirely a different person than when they married, heck she is so much different than the beginning of the show, and I thought we get better with age not worse, as afr as things getting out of hand, well that has already happened, did you watch last weeks show, I felt sorry for Jon, sorry that he has not learned to be the head of his own home. sorry that he lets his wife control him and go against every thing Gods word says a man should be, (since they proclaim to be christians)
As for Mady, please don’t say she is a normal little girl, kids are not suppose to be dis-respectful to adults and even their own parents, Mady is far from normal,she is a screaming little fit thrower, the little ones they are watching her and yes they are very un-disciplined also, some ppl think Kate spanks her kids, how ever I do not, b/c I believe if a child knows there punishments for bad behavior “they will quit” Mady nor the rest have quit, in fact it is worse b/c they are older now, and it’s very unbecoming.
If J&K spanked those kids it would show in their behavior and it does not, so where you think they are normal, I guess other children are robots, even when we seen them going into church, they were throwing fits, heck they throw fits and scream about every thing and every where they go, that my dear is not normal. So if Kate does spank them then she may as well quit b/c it surely does no good, I have never seen such a bunch of cry babies in my life, and I have never heard a child say “the worst day of my life” as much as Mady does, but as usuall Kate just overlooks anything Mady or Hannah does, and I just can’t understand that, how she can just over look them and be so cranky with the other 6, and believe me the other 6 are catching on, all little Hanny (as Kate calls her ) has to do is whine or cry and Kate melts, it must be little Hannies headaches that cause her to be so bratty, what a crock of bull. Kate is so wrong when it comes to the separation between her kids,
So you don’t have to wait to see it as they get older they all act like Mady already, Kate just don’t notice the rest of them, and it’s far from normal for a family of 10 or 20,
I know bigger families than Kates and their kids would never think of dis-respecting their parents like Mady does, that child and Hannah is Kates babies the rest are Jons, except he babies Hannah to, I guess to keep peace with Kate.
People who have seen them speak claim that they admit they spank but TLC chooses to edit it out. Have you seen how those kids flinch at Jon? I think the boys are like zombies and have no individuality at all!!
It’s just my opinion but I think Mady needs to be given a break and not consistently singled-out as the worst child. Jon and Kate are at fault for her behavior and I feel that they are the only ones who should be criticized. Something about bad-mouthing an 8 year old child just sits wrong with me. Maybe it’s because I have one a bit older and I cannot IMAGINE putting her tantrums on TV or having the blogging community calling my child such awful names (not here but I’ve seen them on other sites, just google her name, it makes me sad).
One thing I have thought about is if Mady has ADD. I had it as a child and so does my son. I would have fits like that and so did he. Once you know about it and learn how to work on it, it gets much better. I think she just needs some attention, the older girls seem to get either left out or only as each other. I’ve seen one show where Mady had her time with mommie and dady and didn’t have to fight for attention.
I am glad that the new season they are not allowing them to flim in the bedrooms. Those kids need thier own place to get away.
I just hope Mady gets tested for ADD. It is a tough thing to live with when it’s not dealt with.
Quit criticizing the children. They really are well behaved and when they cry or get upset it’s just normal behavior for little ones. I do think Mady needs to be put in her place at times but she is just a little girl after all. I love how organized Kate is but she really should just let the kids be kids and not always worry about them getting their clothes dirty. Jon has the right idea about letting them enjoy themselves. One of the things I’ve wondered about is why the family does pray together before they eat and pray with the children at bedtime. Another thing….I love it when Jon calls Kate on her behavior towards him. He really needs to put his foot down more often and she needs to learn to keep still when he’s talking and admit that he can be right sometimes.
Those boys are like zombies. No wonder they are hardly televised. Boring. I have a feeling they do not intentionally put Mady’s tantrums on TV. In my opinion,she’s like that all the time. If anything they’re probably trying to make her look better. Bet she could care less about those dogs now. Wonder if they’re still around. To me Leah, Alexis, and Cara, although she is miserable a lot, have the nicest personalities, and the cutest. Maddy is a carbon copy of her mother. Like I said before, she needs the Nanny.
TV snark, you are absolutely right, on other blogs Mady has been called the warped child,and a little bitch, and some have even said by the time she’s 13 she’ll be PG,
And yes i blame Jon even more so than Kate b/c he is, (since they claim to be christians) suppose to be the head of the home, not Kate, and the only reason I douted that they get spanked is b/c their behavior don’t show it, I have a grand daughter who is 8 and if she thinks she is gonna get a swat, she will start screaming before hand like some one just beat her, pisses me off, and just b/c thats what her parents have allowed her to do,
as far as the flinching, well I see a child do that that has never had a spanking or what some call a swat,
I believe Mady is in trouble, she has cried out for affection/attention/and yes dis-cipline and has got nothing constructive, kids are smart, they know if they are likely to get a spanking or they are just gonna get yelled at, which IMO I think the verbal abuse is far worse than a good butt warming.
I won’t say she is the worse but it’s like Kate and Jon are afraid to say any thing to her, just like Hannah, and it is not the kids fault, I just hope Jon and Kate realize the problem that is laying in wait between the kids if they don’t straighten things out, I know of a family like that, it was a large family, and after the mother died the older kids have nothing to do with the youngest one, b/c she was a mady, no she was worse, b/c she wuld tease the older ones bout being special.
any way I do wish them the best, they have a lovely family that needs help like we all have, they have gotten every thing and more than they ever dreamed, it would be a shame if they lost each other now, a real shame.
I truely think they will get a divorce caus e she is evil…
but i also still love the show!
they are also cute but i feel bad for mady cause she got all her moms traits!!
I really love the show but I do get frustrated with the way Kate treats Jon. She does favor Mady probably Mady is a smaller version of her. You never hear her compliment Cara. I truly hope the show continues but that Kate looks at the tapes and sees how nasty and overbearing she is with Jon. I really like her and admire the job she’s doing most of the time. Jon is a terrific father and he helps tremendously. Most men would tell Kate to take a flying leap.
“…And yes i blame Jon even more so than Kate b/c he is, (since they claim to be christians suppose to be the head of the home, not Kate…”
Missy, Jon is not “suppose” to be head of the household. There are many women who work and their husbands stay at home or the mother’s are more so the disciplinarian. In most cases, fathers/husbands are typically the bread winners and make final decisions on family matters but many mothers/wives play the same role and it works. Basically you are saying to be Christian, a woman has to allow her husband to be in charge? Give me a break. Just because Jon allows Kate to be the more dominant spouse does not make him any less of a Christian. The only issue here is the disrespect that is visible in Jon and Kate’s marriage.
I’m not a religious person by no means. The bible is great but shouldn’t be taken literally. The bible is obviously making some women believe that they are weak and not capable of taking control of their family; from the statement Missy had wrote.
Well Heather, it is obvious to everyone that you are not a religious person, but thanks for clarifying that for us. And since quoting the bible won’t help you to see things differently, lets approach this from a different direction.
Since women have joined the work force, the pay rates per individual have dropped. So much so that it now takes two incomes to make ends meet. So weather you believe one thing or another, people who would like to have a traditional home situation where one works and the other stays at home, they are now unable to because of the lower wages.
Since women, who are very important, are now in the work place, there is no one to raise their children at home. The children stay at home and watch TV. Which, incase you haven’t watched TV lately, does not set very good examples. Most of the TV shows are violent and sexually oriented. Because sex and violence sells and increases their ratings. Even the commercials are sexually oriented showing products that promise to make your sexual organs larger and last longer. And people cant figure out why their kids are having unprotected sex. Kids should not be having sex at all, rather it be unprotected or protected.
Now they cant figure out why teen pregnancy is out of control. They also can’t figure out the government is under such a financial strain. Humm, could a lot of it be young children having babies? They cant support them. They are too young to work and have not been in school long enough to have obtained the proper level of education to even get a decent job. Did you see the 13 year old boy who is now a father? The interviewer asked him, “So, what are you planning on doing financially for the baby?” His response was “What does financially mean?”.. Do you see my point?
The whole gist of the matter is that it does take two. Children of single parents are robbed of having a well rounded upbringing. They are robbed of having a parent at home to raise the them and to teach them right from wrong, instead of the children raising themselves. And rather or not you believe in the Bible, you have to admit when The man was the head of the house hold and the woman / mother ran the house, things were a lot better than they are now. They had financial security, love, balance and morality. So should you take the Bible literally? Look at the world that has been created without the Bible that we are living in and you tell me.
“Since women have joined the work force, the pay rates per individual have dropped. ”
Please explain this to me…
Me too!!!
I would love to. Let me regather my research and I will post it. However, it is common economic understanding and it supports the law of supply and demand, that if the demand for employees is greater than the supply of workers the pay will be greater. Ill get my graphs together and post them for you.
I look forward to reading your information that blames women for the drop of “pay rates for individual”.
Just wanted to remind you to post your research concerning the negative effect of women joining the work force on “pay rates per individual”.
he’s not going to do it, because no study like that exists. That’s completely made up bs
I knew he wouldn’t. He’s always making stuff up.
In parts of the Bible, men were allowed to have multiple wives. Also, men literally owned their wives. What freaking Bible are you reading? Did you make up your own?
ok glad I’m not the only one a little pissed at that post. I couldn’t hardly read it.
Now I am a stay at home mom. But not because of his reasons. I stay home because I want to. My husband works at a job that luckly he makes enough that I can stay home. But I loved working and would gladly go back to a part time job that I could do from home.
It makes me sooo upset when people say things like that. Women are not weak! We can be strong single mothers. I’ve met some single mothers that i’m in Awe of.
Welcome to 2009 get the hell out of the 50’s!
Hey BigDaddy! Answer this!
Whats up with all these religious essays? Do we care? Save the preachin’ for church this Sunday…
—–…And yes i blame Jon even more so than Kate b/c he is, (since they claim to be Christian suppose to be the head of the home, not Kate…—-
Missy, Jon is not “suppose” to be head of the household. He can be Christian and not be head of the household. Are you kidding? There are many women who work and their husbands stay at home or work and make more money than their husbands or are more of the disciplinarian. In most cases, fathers/husbands are typically the bread winners and make final decisions on family matters but many mothers/wives play the same role and it works. Basically, you are saying to be Christian, a woman has to allow her husband to be in charge? Give me a break. The only issue in their situation is the disrespect that is visible in the marriage.
I’m not a religious person by no means. The bible is great but shouldn’t be taken literally. The bible is obviously making some women believe that they are weak and not capable of taking control of their family; from the statement Missy had wrote.
Here snarkie, snarkie, snarkie
What?
Big Daddy, what big opinions you have. And guess what? I agree with most of them. Somewhere along the way, couples thought moving to a McMansion was more important then staying home with their kids. That’s what I think started the ball rolling. There little houses weren’t good enough, the neighborhood was old and broken down. Parents headed out to the suburbs with big lawns, and big mortgages. Moms had to go back to work. Come to think of it, I don’t know any children raised by stay at home moms who got into trouble. I’m sure they’re out there, especially if mom was a crack addict. Nope the kids that were in daycare or taken care of by someone else, once they’re on their own, watch out. Here comes the babies.
Wow BD that is one of your very best, keep up the good work,
Now since Heather did not understand a thing I said, let me clarify once more:
I do not believe women are weak, a wife, a mother has the toughest job known, and any woman who can be a sahm is blessed beyond any thing a job can offer. I do how ever believe that the way the world has changed that many women are forced to work just to make those ends meet every month. And then there are those who work b/c it is their career and it’s important to them.
I was blessed enough to be able to raise my own kids, no we did not have every thing that kids have today which I personally think is too much but what ever blows your dress up.
To make sure my children and husband was fed and clothed and came home to a clean home and a meal ready was my job, and I am tyhankful that I had the oppurtunity to stay at home. (of course we did not live like the Gosselins)
When my youngest started all day school I went to work, I was home usually when they got home. I am and always have been a strong woman, my husband did not take that from me, what he took from me was the worry about feeding and housing our kids, he took from me the fear of being alone, he took from me the fear of not being respectful to him and our kids, but… there is not enough pages on this earth to tell you how much he gave/gives to me.
I don’t think (if you Heather) would read in scriptures that it ever says women are weak, after all it took a strong woman to give up her son to die for ppl who do not even believe in him, but if you never believe any thing HEATHER I say believe this,”SOMEDAY YOU WILL BELIEVE”
I will not ever argue scriptures with any one, I gave my opinion and my bible says ” Not to cast your Pearls before the Swine”
But you would find the strongest women you have ever read about in the Bible, and yes it is TRUE
My Bible does not make one weak, it gives more power tahn any book you will ever read, It tells man and woman how to love unconditionaly and how to respect one another how you become one, did you have that in your marriage vows? I did, we have no boss in our home, we make dicissions based on what is best for us, there is no “my way or the highway” there is no me yelling hellllooooooo, or me making snide remarks and embarrassing my hubby alone or in front of ppl, if Kate thinks that makes her look more powerful, well she sounds like an idiot and it makes me think she has no religion at all.And yes it does say worse for Jon, I would be mortified if I ever heard one of my daughters talk like that to her husband,
And Heather it is just not being a christian, no one should treat their (suppose to be the one they love UGH?) like dirt. What is worse is they proclaim to be christians and take a lot from christians all the while Kate is showing ppl like you that christians are really nobody, and the Bible is just another book, and that angers me, b/c she is portraying christians in a bad light, just like our so called christian politicians.
Okay I’m done, Thank You BD that was great
–And yes i blame Jon even more so than Kate b/c he is, (since they claim to be christians) suppose to be the head of the home, not Kate—-
Missy, your statement above says it all. You’re NUTS. Save the essays for the classroom!
Missy: Alright now, all this…..REALLY isn’t necessary, like really? seriously? Do you think that we have the time to sit down and read a 10 page essay containing things like this on a reality TV show forum/comment page? If so, please may I have my 5 minutes back? This isn’t bible school nor church. None of us are in Sunday school right now, which is basically what Heather is trying too say…..I’m sorry to say, and….I’m happy you were “able to raise your own kids”, but I mean we don’t really necessarily care…..lol. Sorry…
I do agree with the bottom line that’s being discussed here….It’s some of the comments that went along with it.
Women’s place in life……. I was born and raised a Catholic, and quite honestly have problems with the Church and some of its teachings. That doesn’t mean that I am not a very very spiritual person. I believe that “Religion is man made while spiritually is God made”. (Again, my beliefs, not to be infringed on others) While I do know the story about Adam and Eve, I don’t believe their was a talking snake in the Garden of Eden that hooked Eve in its graces. That Eve brought Adam out of God’s graces…. I know what the Bible says…..I’m just saying that I believe that is Man’s interpretation.
I pray everyday, and also pray to do God’s will and not my own. I try to respect my fellow man the best to my ability and not to infringe my beliefs on anyone else.
The problem in John and Kate’s household has much more dysfunction then that “being or not being good Christians.” I’ve known plenty of people who can quote the bible, attend church then go and treat the fellow man like crap. How many children were abused by the Catholic priests, how many Nuns broke the noses and knuckles of children the hit with rulers. It seems like anything can be justified by the bible depending on a person’s interpretation. How many religions use the same bible, but interpret it differently, each knowing that they are right.
If I’m not mistaken, this issue is being brought up due to the fact that John and Kate go to churches and say that they are good Christians, when their behaviors say otherwise. (At least to some of us) I’m sure that they “do believe that they are good Christians”……..If Kate’s father is a preacher, I’m sure she was raised with strong morals and beliefs. Apparently material gains are excluded in her belief system….again nothing wrong with nice things, but at what cost? We each have to make that decision in our lives.
So much has been said in the above posts….I’m going to quit now. Again, these are only my beliefs, what works for me.
Hey guys, that’s my post up there. Didn’t mean to be anonymous……I will own up to my opinions……
Cin you pretty well covered what I was trying to say about christians, just going to church don’t make you one, I can sit in my garage all day but it don’t make me a car, I can put lipstick on my dog but she is still a dog. KWIM?
I was just trying to say what really hurts is there are so many ppl that you invite to church and they will say ” oh no thanks, but I’ve seen how those christians do, and I can do better with out that” and it usually is a story about how some so called christian hurt them or ripped them off. With the Gosselins going all over to churches and showing the way they live in an ever day life really leaves a lot to be desired.
I remember our pastor doing a sermon on the christian and the work place,kinda like on here, as Maris pointed out one time, you can’t talk about christian and using foul talk at the same time(paraphrasing of course)
I think thats what the Gosselins do, they tell their story about how God has blessed them (and he has) but then they show no gratitude.
I would not try to infringe my beliefs on any one either other than to tell them God loves us unconditionally, I don’t get into the pentecost,baptist,catholic scene of who is right or wrong, I believe God judges the heart.
I do think the Gosselins have lost sight of hwere their blessings have come from, what I would like to say to them is God giveth and God can take away,you never hear them any more speak of God (well rarely) and they certainly don’t seem as much grateful now as they did in their earlier shows,
I hope them the very best but if they have gained all of this and lose each other or worse yet lose their faith what have they gained? I would tell them all the material things they have won’t amount to a hill of beans if they are alone or have lost their faith.
Have a blessed day Cin Love Ya
hmm. I remember that the bible said a lot of stuff about not judging people. You all are awfully judgmental for a bunch of upstanding Christians.
Oh Jesus just called me. He said to stop acting like righteous assholes.
i LOVE THIS SHOW! I THINK EVERYBODY JUST HAS MISS CONCEPTIONS OF WHO THEY ARE. THEY TRULY DO LOVE EACH OTHER. THEY DO PRAISE GOD AND THEY ARE TRULY WONDERFUL PEOPLE. PLEASE GIVE THEM A CHANCE…
I love the show. and am upset that it might have ended forever.
Have no fear June. They will be back for at least another season.
The Greedlins, aka the Gosselins, are not finished, yet.
Heather, You want to know why you should take the bible literally? Because the Bible is not just a book, it is where our sense of right and wrong comes from. By saying that man is over his wife, does not mean that he is better than she is in any way. It simple means that his role is different from hers. With more people thinking the way you do you have to admit is why there has been a breakdown of the American family. The following is what I cut and pasted for you.
Yet, the numbers are stark and incontrovertible. We are becoming a nation of fatherless children. And fatherless children grow up to commit more violent crime, take more illegal drugs and become statistics in more social pathologies than any other group.
Crime — A state-by-state analysis by The Heritage Foundation found a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime for every 10 percent hike in the number of children living in single-parent homes. Get ready to pay higher taxes for more policemen, more judges, more prisons and more dangerous neighborhoods.
Health — Babies born to unmarried mothers face a “substantially higher risk” of serious infant health problems, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. More money, therefore, will be needed for Medicaid.
Education — Children from single-parent homes do more poorly in school, and are more likely to be truant or have disciplinary problems, according to the National Association of Elementary School Principals. Schools will become more dangerous and kids will learn even less.
Economy — Problems in school mean problems in the workplace. Look for lower productivity and higher unemployment.
If we do not find our moral center again, soon we will be like other countries. At war with ourselves and living in holes in the ground!
http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/ed092895b.cfm
Do you literally make up anything you write? Or it is all cut and paste?
Also, the only thing that you actually wrote, re: the Bible- it is not the source of where right and wrong comes from. People understood right/wrong long before Christianity.
Do you know what literally means? “You want to know why you should take the bible literally? Because the Bible is not just a book, it is where our sense of right and wrong comes from. By saying that man is over his wife, does not mean that he is better than she is in any way. It simple means that his role is different from hers.”
What you just said was a contradiction. Taking that literally would mean he was LITERALLY (actually, in real life) OVER HIS WIFE. You then said what you thought it meant figuratively. You know. The opposite of literally.
The above post smells like Anne Colter. As much as I don’t like her, I do agree. Too many single mother’s, and young ones too, with no way to care for their children without government assistance.
It is a mess. Don’t see a way out without sterilization. If only they could give teenage girls or boys a super duper birth control pill that would work for about 10 years. Then when everybody is older, and hopefully has there act together, then have kids.
Well, in any event, Jon and Kate are not guilty of that.
OMG, that is the answer! This post was going to be sorta controversial but I think I just figured out the answer.
If the government stopped paying for unwed mothers and stopped supporting the illegitimate kids that they are producing, the burden of responsibility would fall back on the parents. This would make the unwed parents of unwed parents to think twice before trying on a marriage like a pair of pants. Once unwed mothers see their friends living on the streets in boxes with their babies or the strain that another child brings onto their friends families, they will think twice before having sex before they are ready. This would also serve as a wake up call to families where both parents go off to work and leave their kids to raise themselves that one of them better stay home and teach their kids right from wrong instead of letting them figure it out for themselves. This will help to rebuild the family unit. And probably draw people closer to God, from which we have learned to have a sense of right and wrong. So this would strengthen the Family Unit, Strengthen the countries moral fiber, reduce population growth, diminish sexual transmitted diseases such as Aids and hepatitis thru restricted teen sexual activity, help people reach their full potential due to the lack of kids having kids and the list goes on and on.
I know it seem harsh but the governments attempt to help is the very thing that is holding them back! I agree kids, weather they are teens or their kids shouldn’t be made to suffer, but someone is going to have to in order to correct the situation that we have cre
go to work where? we’re in a recession
so you think babies deserve to die on the streets because they have stupid parents?
Coulterguist???
Can someone refresh my memory…did Kate do IVF for the babies?
I believe Kate took fertility drugs.
I think the govern’t should stay out of our business, and we should quit re-lying on them, I like what Lauen said about giving teens a birth control for about ten years, it’s laughable but what a concept, I bet Lauren if that were possible, just think how many LESS unwanted or unplanned babies there would be,
I was very young when I married almost 50 yrs ago, and I have never regretted a day of it, I would never suggest it to young ppl tho, espically today, We did not marry with all the finer t hings that a lot of newly weds have, there was no honey moon to the moon and back, (altho I thought I had went to the moon LOL kwim) but we lived simple and loved much,
we worked hard for what we have which is a very good life, lots of vacations, which most have been in recent years, since the kids have grown, but our kids sit around at christmas dinner and talk about all the memories they have from child hood, and none of them are about how poor we were or what they didn’t have, it’s how they came home to smell supper cooking and mom had baked a favorite pie, they talk about how we all worked in the garden in the summer and fall and would surprize dad when he came home from work, and how every nite mom and dad was there to tuck them in.
but it seems now days both parents are working for the American Dream that the govern’t is stealing from us, and the kids are left to their own demise, kids are always so bored, nothing to do and no motivation and no interest worth speaking of, I have actually heard moms say “I’d rather work 10 hrs a day, it’s easier than being home” how sad that is, how hurtful to her children.
Just a note to point out that the Gosselins are not filmed every day and then only for a few hours. Each family member has the right to “opt out” for the session and bedrooms are now off limits. Fame has its price, as does wealth. This was Jon and Kate’s choice and they are handling it as well as they can. No matter what your religion, only God has the right to judge any of us. The old addage “familiarity breeds contempt” is still true. The more we know about the Gosselins, the more critical we become. Human nature! Oh, and I think you meant the kids are left to their own “devices”. (Look up the word “demise”.)
Amen sista Corolyn!! You go ahead girl! That is a point I’be been trying to make all along. They do not tape them 7 days a week 24 hours a day!! If they did, they would have one the different cloths, I HOPE! !!! If they wanted to come into my house one day a week and tape my family? I wouldn’t feel that they would be explointing my kids at all!! And yes, I would make sure the hours was clean! YES TLC, come tape my heathans!
It may have been a typo but it is true. DEMISE! As children are left alone more and more because both parents are working, children are left to raise themselves. Just watching TV tonight I was informed about how I can make my penis harder and last longer! Then I was told about how I can make a booty call! This was at 6pm. I was cooking super! So children with out someone there to tell them right from wrong?!! Yea, they are out looking for sex! Then they have children. Their parents are not held responsable for the actions. Then those children have children. So, yes, Missy meant, DEMISE!!!!!
You are sick!
What channels are you watching, the playboy channel? This is directed to That Big Daddy post. It doesn’t matter what you watch on TV, it matters what type of upbringing you’ve had, and how to respect your parents, and yourself.
That is my point Charlotte. Kids are being raised by their parents. Kids go to school, come home for several hours by themselves. Especially in single parent homes, rush home fix super bath and have to go to bed to get back up in the morning. This is only IF the parent doesnt work evenings. In the mean time the kids are exposed to stuff on TV that may as well have been the Playboy Channel. Let see, there is the Phazamine commercial that makes sex more fun. The Enzite commercial that makes you bigger, down there and makes it more fun. The Booty Call commercial and Even a commercial for a vibrator with an old woman on it! Have you not seen these commercials. Oh yea, and dont forget if you experience an erection lasting for more than 4 hours seek medical attention! So, yes it does matter what they are exposed to on TV. Do you let your children sit down and watch the Playboy Channel?
I’m lucky because my daughter is AFRAID to go to any channels but NICK, Cartoon Network and Disney. She gets freaked out easily so she doesn’t want to chance it. Of course, I’m in the room anyway . . .
The other night we were watching “The Doctors” because she likes to learn. Then they started discussing “premature ejaculation” and I turned the channel. She WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!! umm, she’s 9. She doesn’t need to know about THAT!!
She also cries at the animal commercials with Sarah McLaughin.
Thanks Snarkie for acknowledging that there is a problem here. What scares me even more is that some other people, I won’t mention any names, don’t see a problem with it. Is it because they are just too young to understand , they just don’t care or are the some Evil manifestation trying to turn the world evil? I’m all for people having opposing opinions but I would think that this would be a no brainer. Then again, like I say, The older I get the smarter my parents become.
I looked up the word, ummm probably in 2nd 0r 3rd grade, hope you did to,
And yes BD the commericials on TV and what they are showing at prime time is embarrassing even to me, I used to be embarrassed to be sitting in mixed company when a Kotex or Tampon commercial came on, OMG I don’t think I could handle sitting with my friends with a “How to get bigger” or “how to get the most out of your vibrator” that is dis-gusting, but it just goes to show you where our country is headed, and what makes a country? you got it, Parents!! so if we allow this trash in our front rooms and leave our kids to their own demise, well guess what? you got it, just exactly what you been saying,
So sorry Charlotte!!! what channel do you watch, it don’t really matter, it’s all on prime time, just watch what your kids watch, if not you’ll be witness to what they do!!!!!!
Hey BigDaddy and Missy! Answer this!
Whats up with all these religious essays? Do we care? Save the preachin’ for church this Sunday…
Hey Heather! Answer this!
Who’s a bra burning liberal activist that probably still lives at home with her parents and will never have a successful relationship with a heterosexual male and will probably have a bunch of illegitimate children that will suck off of the government? Loook in the Mirror……..
Wow. That was totally inappropriate and hateful. For someone who claims to be a “Christian” (that’s stretching the term a bit in your case) you sure are looking down on a lot of people, and seem to be full of hateful ideas and insults, ready to sling at a moments notice. I thought this site was for people talking about a television show. Apparently I was mistaken, and it is for a bunch of hypocritical, hateful, self-absorbed people who hide behind their religion.
Hey Big Daddy. You’re on here a lot. Bet you get a government check!
Charlotte, you took the words right out of my mouth! LOL!
How does someone go from talking about how everyone should “submit to the bible”, to calling someone a “bra burning liberal activist who will have illegitimate kids who will suck off the gov’t”? Please.
BD, you need to tighten those loose screws in your head.
Charlotte and Heather, Oh my goodness, how you lack in your understanding of things. But its ok, someday you will grow as I and immerge from the haze that clouds your minds. As for me, I was management for 26 years for the largest retailer in the world. They are a stingy, immoral institution that sucks the life out of a community, however, they did throw a little cash my way when I left. Its called retirement, or rather Profit Sharing and 401K. Google it if you need. And I earned it! Not a single penny was given to me. I have never gotten a handout in my life. I have raised 3 kids and am still raising 3 more. My family nor I have ever received a food stamp or any government assistance. It has required me to be away from my family for long periods of time, which I didn‘t like but we have done it all on our own. So, after working 80 hours a week, 6, sometimes 7 days a week. I have the money, so if I want to take off for a year, I will. I have taken the time to connect with my kids and get some work done on our properties that I haven’t had time to do over the past 26 years. So, Charlotte and Heather, you can put your bras back on now and stop beating your chests! You can stop peeing on everything too. That’s a mans job. So you need to be women and let men be men. The woman’s role is the most important. She bares children, “supposed” to keep the home and raise the children. These are NOT simple or easy things. For this to be done correctly, it IS a full time job. Women are entrusted the most precious and important things in any of our lives. “Our children and families”. Women are the ones that have lessened their own value by working and refusing to be stay at home moms. Women try to spread themselves too thin. Trying to “juggle” a home and a career? It can not be done properly without one or the other suffering, usually the family and kids, which is supposed to be the most important. You can riggle and wiggle and sqirm all that you want. When it comes to the end of your life, what is going to be written on your headstone? Is it going to be “She worked hard for the company and made us lots of money at expense of her children soccer games because she refused to take her role in life”? Or is it going to be “She was a kind and loving mother and wife?” I’m willing to bet you, where you work will forget you in a year, but your family will remember you for generations to come. I’ve missed out on a lot of my kids lives. I haven’t been there for them when I should have been. I put work first and made excuses that they need the monetary things in life when all they needed is me. I simply am trying to make you understand that the answer to all of the countries problems start with the family. One thing I have learned from all of my work years is when things get out of control the best thing to do is to get back to basics. A LOT of younger people today do not understand what the basics are, however, because they come from two career families. The best way to learn the basics, is yes, where comes from. And call it Good or Evil, right or wrong, it still comes from the Bible. So regardless if you choose to be Assembly of God, Church of Christ, Jewish etc.. You can still reclaim your moral center. And that will be the beginning of fixing the problems in all of our lives and our country.
BD, Wow, he pulled a fast one. It was almost kind of hard too ‘misinterpret’ that post he posted before the last, which was clearly inappropriate. After reading this OTHER essay he posted, I’m clearly seeing that he’s breaking other people down based on his own insecurities, and not even knowing the person, then claiming he’s a ‘Christian’.
Also, Women can take on whatever role they want, it’s not set in stone that women were put on this earth to not be successful and take on a certain role, it’s their life and it’s not mens’ place to say what role women should take. That’s just a really close-minded and ignorant way of thinking.
“As for me, I was management for 26 years for the largest retailer in the world.”
Yes. You started working in management when you were like 10. Or your picture is from 30 years ago.
You might literally be the most ridiculous person on the internet. Congrats, Big Daddy. Why don’t you go plagiarize something else with big words and thoughts that aren’t your own? Since apparently your bible did not teach you that stealing is wrong.
Oh lol. I just googled, looking for largest retailer. So you allegedly worked for Wal-Mart? Oh my god, it all makes so much more sense now…… ha ha ha
I don’t think that Jon is the biological father of any of the children. Jon is 50% Korean, which means the kids should be 25% Korean. But, the kids look to be 50% asian, they all look MORE asian that Jon does. Also, Kate has greenish eyes and Jon has hazel or very light brown eyes, yet all 8 children have very dark brown eyes. Out of 8 children, at least a couple should have eye color similar to that of their parents. Kate has said that she used artificial insemination, not IVF, to achieve pregnancy because she had a fertility problem, but I would suspect it was Jon with the fertility problem. Kate took prescribed meds to help her ovulate, why get artificially inseminated at the fertility clinic, why not just “do it”. In the Korean culture, male infertility is extremely shameful. Maybe that’s why Kate wears the pants in the family, and Jon lets her, so she will keep his “shameful” secret.
Kelly, that is something to think about. You have a point. Those kids do look More than 1/4 Korean. A co-worker of mine is 1/4 Japanese and looks fully Caucasian with a hint of Japanese features. Maybe the Korean jean is a bit stronger. What ever the truth may be, we probably will never know. Needless the say, regardless, The kids are beautiful.
You may sling words like hypocrite, judgmental and etc… Basically, what you are saying is that facts are not being vermiculated in a manner in which you find palatable. It can be said many ways, in many different languages. The translation, however, remains the same. People, particularly politicians, can say things in a manner that makes them seem beautiful. They can say it In a way that makes everything seem wonderful and grand. The truth of the matter, however, remains the same. I BEG people to look past the artificial persona cast by those who wish to lead you astray and make your own decisions!
OH MY GOD. big daddy, please stop using big words that you do not know the meaning of. Some of us might, and it makes you look ever stupider.
vermiculated could not be used more incorrectly.
you know that your entire post really made no sense, right? Wow, with your prestigious career in management, you would assume that you would have some education.
That srsly made no sense. I agree with Anonymous. It was probably the most ridiculous and biggest waste of time I think I’ve ever read. Do us all a favor, and learn your vocabulary terms. Please…
Kate why are you so hard on jon to get everything right.
wow. there are a couple of real winners on here. some of you religious nutjobs have waaaay too much time on your hands. big daddy is obviously a child molester. i like how he has a pic next to his name, trying to pose like a stud. you should put down the steroid needle for a couple of seconds, step away from your computer, and go outside for a while.
Dear doesn’t matter, I think your name says it all. To you, it doesn’t matter. I am NO child molester. My oldest daughter was molested and that is really nothing to make fun of or accuse someone of. I am not a STUD! Although, thank you for thinking so. I am just a parent first and then a man. I have been married twice. The first time I was lucky enough to marry the love of my life. She was killed in an accident. My second wife, which I am still married to, is a great Christian woman. I am not a Bible thumper, but I loved them both and have never been unfaithful to ether of them. I have been thru many many trials and tribulations during my life. Loosing my wife, loosing my family, watching my mother while she died. But I am still just a man. I understand that there are lessons that people can only learn thru experience, but I try to help people who are willing to listen to my experiences. Like I have said, I am no Bible thumper! I do many things that God would not approve of. I’m not at church every Sunday nor every time that the doors are open. I have seen things happen to my kids, me and my family that have no explanation. I have tried drugs as your post implies. But that was in my youth. I’m older now and wiser. You may call me names, and that’s ok. I am still here for you. I am educated both thru schooling and thru life. But I am not better or worse than anyone else. I hope that YOU find your way. I hope that you respond to this post. I can tell just from you screen name, “doesn’t matter” that to you, “It DOES matter”.
In response to “doesn’t matter”. Apparently it does matter to you or you wouldn’t have taken any time to give your “opinion” on people. Why don’t you be constructive and comment about issues instead of hateful name calling.
I’m surprised that Big Daddy found it in his heart to share his life in response to your hate. Better man than I could have ever been.
“Religious nutjobs” again, I may not agree with the posts, but will not resort to name calling and bewittling people and their opinions. Grow up, get a life, and try to treat people different than you with respect, maybe, just maybe you will get some back.
cinoda, you seem sweet. But you really shouldn’t believe anything that BD says. He is clearly a liar. He is using these outrageous stories to try to sway people to like him, feel bad for him, etc. Would a real man tell a bunch of strangers that his daughter was molested? No. Don’t you think that would be hurtful to this girl? That’s (allegedly) his picture. Couldn’t people who know him identify him, and know what happened to this girl? Do you really think that would be healthy for his daughter? To know that her molestation was being used a bait in an argument on the internet?
Do not believe any of this. I am calling bullshit.
I notice that Heather and Charlotte haven’t been back!
I’m here Daddy O. So there.
So am I…..